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I saw its front hips as massive titties for a second there

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It is absurdly funny to me that xkcd has gotten so hyperspecific and reached such a large audience that there is now a website dedicated to explaining them

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What did MIT tech review mean by this

sharkfucker420 ,
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Ohhhhhhh they were being critical of the concept. I was wondering why an official MIT account would spout eugenics talking points lol

sharkfucker420 , (edited )
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Oh im well aware of how popular eugenics is among academics. I was just suprised theyd post that on twitter

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Wow it’s almost like capitalisms profit motive encourages business’s to exploit the less fortunate because not doing so puts your business at a disadvantage.

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Sure yes short term it is probably a good option for the average Filipino or any other person taking an American job in a foreign country for less money than that company would pay an American because yeah it does pay relatively well in their situation. However, it takes advantage of their material situation to pay them monetarily less than they would be paid in the US. Essentially it uses the fact that they need the money more (their demand) to pay them less. Is this not similar to paying any American poor person less because they need it more?

Regardless of how you feel about the morality of all that it’s fucking terrible for the Philippines. That Filipino labor is not benefitting the Filipino economy it’s benefitting the US economy. This might not be so bad if they were being paid more or even up to the amount that they make for that American company (though this would never happen under capitalism bc a company needs profit) because at the very least that loss of labor power would be supplemented with equivalent monetary gain.

So in short, outsourced jobs takes advantage of poor people to pay them less and strips foreign economies of their labor power

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I covered both of these points.

  • The company is still using a person’s material situation to pay them less. More purchasing power in their subjective economy is part of their material situation. They are still receiving monetarily less as is their country.
  • I directly covered your second point, while they do spend the money they earn from their American job within their economy they are not being paid the exact value of their labor because profit is being extracted so the amount of money they stimulate their economy with is not as valuable as their labor would be. I don’t want to explain the entire labor theory of value here because it would take up too much time and space but you can look into it if you’d like. Put simply, the profit that company makes is extracted from that employees labor meaning that some of their labor is being used not to benefit their country or people but another’s. Outsourcing is an extraction of mans most valuable resource from the less fortunate to the more
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Yes and that would be better not just for foreign countries but for the people of the US as well. However it would suck for business so it will never happen unless workers force it to happen

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I am not arguing that working for foreign companies does not benefit the individual, if it didn’t no one would work for them. I’m saying that foreign companies are essentially reducing the labor force of third world countries. It’s good for the individual but bad for the country to be dependent on foreigners for employment.

Also, saying that foreign laborers should be paid the amount that their labor is worth (both the cost of providing the basic needs of them and their family as well as the profit they make for the company) was not serious because obviously that cannot happen in a capitalist society. I am not arguing for capitalism or capitalistic reforms. I don’t think companies should exist, I think they do more harm than good in the long term. Etc etc

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Think of labor as a resource like food, coal, iron, etc. A country only has so much labor power just as it only has so much of it’s natural resources. When it comes to building a country as efficiently as possible in which the most people are benefitted would you rather have foreigners take your limited natural resources for a payment that while helpful makes you eventually dependent on them or would you rather use that resource to build an economy with solid foundation based on local industry?

The thing about proper compensation under capitalism is that it doesn’t exist. A person is paid enough to cover their cost of living and the rest of the value their labor produces is owned by their employer. So even within capitalism that labor value is is more secure if it is kept within ones own borders.

This isn’t a perfect explanation I don’t think but I hope you get what I mean

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But it would mean more employment and higher wages. How can you demand a significantly higher wage if your employer can pay some Latino kid $5/hr to do the same job? Sure, prices might go up but so would wages.

Regardless, this particular form of imperialism cannot be rolled back and I do not expect it to be. It’s much to entangled with every other aspect of our economic system. I’m not seriously arguing for changing only this particular facet of capitalism, I’m only arguing that it’s wrong and causes genuine harm.

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That is why it is not a perfect analogy. Training, skills, and information are not specifically a foreign resource. It is not something that is generously provided to 3rd would countries by places like the US. There’s why these can’t be cultivated domestically. Not to mention most exported labor isn’t exactly “skilled labor” (hate that term but it gets the point across).

Wages being based on net revenue generated from a specific worker would be difficult to calculate but it wouldn’t be so hard to distribute profits among types of labor based on their value to the company. Though I don’t think thats a solution at all, I don’t think companies should exist and I don’t think the profit motive should exist to be clear; I’m just trying to argue within the bounds of capitalism here.

I never said anything about not trading, trade is incredibly important because not every nation can manufacture everything domestically. Not every nation has every resource etc etc. letting foreign “investors” control your labor force and direct your economy is however, a terrible idea. Its a short term solution to long term problems. Unfortunately not every country has much of a choice though.

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