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odium ,

Uighurs and Tibetans really feeling those wins rn.

yogthos OP ,
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They sure are given that their standard of living keeps getting better each and every year. Sadly same can’t be said for people living under western regimes.

rocci ,

The government continued to stifle criticism of its policies and actions and discussion of topics considered sensitive through increasingly pervasive online censorship. Government critics, human rights defenders, pro-democracy activists and religious leaders and practitioners were among those subjected to arbitrary arrest and detention. Systematic repression of ethnic minorities in Xinjiang and Tibet continued. Authorities attempted to prevent the publication of an OHCHR report documenting potential crimes against humanity and other international crimes in Xinjiang… Despite some positive policy commitments, including to increased use of renewables, China’s CO2 reduction targets were rated as “highly insufficient” and coal production increased.

China remained the world’s leading executioner, although the government continued to classify statistics for executions and death sentences as “state secrets”. The death penalty remained applicable for 46 offences, including non-lethal offences that do not meet the threshold of the “most serious crimes” under international law and standards.

www.amnesty.org/en/location/…/report-china/

yogthos OP ,
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🙄

rocci ,

I know, details details

yogthos OP ,
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I love how you lot just peddle the same shit that’s been debunked to death, really gotta get some new material

rocci ,

It’s Amnesty International, whatchu got besides a statement from the Chinese Minister of some shit?

yogthos OP ,
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yeah a totally unbiased organization 😂

What I’ve got are basic facts of the situation.

Accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.

Here’s an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on “atrocities” are lies. …com.pk/…/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-ab…

Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they’re unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead apnews.com/…/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china…

Meanwhile, there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:

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US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point www.mintpressnews.com/…/276916/

Now, let’s look at what’s actually happening with renewables and energy transition in China.

Emissions in China have now entered structural decline

Clean energy was top driver of China’s economic growth in 2023 carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-was-top-dri…

China has an actual plan for phasing out fossil fuel usage that they are implementing, short term use of coal is in line with that plan, pretending that this is some gotcha is either ignorant or dishonest visualcapitalist.com/chinas-energy-transition-in-…

Here’s a study showing that coal use in China is in line with their transition plan carbonbrief.org/chinas-2060-climate-pledge-is-lar…

rocci ,

Looks like we’re accepting The Guardian as a source:

China set to miss climate targets by 2025 theguardian.com/…/growth-in-co2-emissions-leaves-…

Here’s China giving the death penalty to a pro-democracy blogger:

theguardian.com/…/australian-academic-yang-hengju…

A country who refuses to reveal how many people the execute but is estimated thousands per year per Amnesty International, a organization you assert to be biased with absolutely no proof whatsoever. If that number is false, why wouldn’t China release the numbers?

Look, I’m not here just to pick on China, western governments suck too, especially the US. And China has done some good things to get more people out of poverty, and I applaud that. But to hold up China as a paragon of virtue, given their history of censorship, brutality, and lack of transparency seems particularly heinous to me.

yogthos OP ,
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China set to miss climate targets by 2025

And if it does, it’s still doing vastly better than pretty much every major western country. The trajectory in China is pretty clear at this point.

Here’s China giving the death penalty to a pro-democracy blogger:

The west is literally torturing Assange in solitary right now for revealing US war crimes. There’s a pretty long list of dissidents who have been killed and tortured by western countries. Not to mention all the horrors the west commits around the world with constant wars, regime change operations, coups, death squads, slave labor, and so on. China does none of these things last I checked.

A country who refuses to reveal how many people the execute but is estimated thousands per year per Amnesty International, a organization you assert to be biased with absolutely no proof whatsoever. If that number is false, why wouldn’t China release the numbers?

There’s plenty of proof that Amnesty International is biased af. If China doesn’t release the numbers where did Amnesty International get them. This is literally a case of trust me bro.

But to hold up China as a paragon of virtue, given their history of censorship, brutality, and lack of transparency seems particularly heinous to me.

Nobody is holding China up as a paragon of virtue. What’s actually being said is that it’s doing a much better job than the west in terms of improving lives of the people in the country and dealing with big problems like climate change. Every country has problems, every human society has problems. However, some societies consistently produce better outcomes for the majority than others.

rocci ,

I’m saying they both suck, if you want to argue that China is whipped cream on shit, I concede the point.

yogthos OP ,
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And I’m saying that China objectively does not suck. China has been consistently improving lives of over a billion people, it’s been a positive force globally helping countries develop and build infrastructure instead of bombing them, and they’re actually doing something tangible to transition from using fossil fuel energy. China might have problems, but overall it’s a well functioning society where most people live happy lives, and see their prospects improving each and every year.

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