Bernie Sanders urges left to back Biden to stop ‘very dangerous’ Trump ( www.theguardian.com )

DessertStorms , 10 months ago

Sure, vote for Biden, but if all you do is rely on a vote for the other capitalist puppet you're not actually dong anything to stop fascism, or even achieve any significant change in how things are run, it's literally just a band aid on a cancer at this point, a band aid that serves to lull you in to a false sense of complacency as you enable the machine to keep chugging on:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

https://blacklikemao.medium.com/how-liberalism-helps-fascism-d4dbdcb199d9

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/

s20 , 10 months ago

Okay, cool. Won’t disagree. How does voting for someone else, or not at all, help?

Like, okay, the system’s broke. But we’re stuck in the broke system (for now). Is it somehow wrong to want to lessen the harm the disease does while the cure is being made? Even if that difference is marginal?

karmiclychee , 10 months ago

It’s funny, I had to reread op’s comment a couple times before I realized (I think) that they aren’t making the usual argument against voting - I’m so conditioned to expect it because the usual centrist/progressive discourse is black and whited to “vote” vs “don’t vote.” We get it from the media, bad actors, wishy-washy liberal-liberals, and… (Sigh) leftists who don’t know any better.

“Vote, and” should be the message - vote and organize, vote and run for office, whatever. To your point, we need to at least keep a thumb on the gushing artery if we plan to survive.