Prunebutt ,

So you admit that you don’t have an accurate definition. That’s a shame.

that’s not how any of this works.

I beg to differ. The whole concept o class analysis doesn’t make any sense, if you have these wobbly definitions of classes.

This is why you people will never actually get anything useful accomplished in society.

Lol. Please read a history book.

You’re so intent on fighting against human nature

I think I have a more thorough grasp on “human nature” than you do. That’s the whole deal of anarchists (Kropotkin, Graeber, Bookchin, …).

Capitalists don’t take investment risks anymore. Surplus value is a model that’s used to describe a system. I don’t make the mistake or confusing the model with reality.

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