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undergroundoverground ,

Because "better overall" is a silly concept to use here, and is bring deliberately done to "both sides" the debate.

For driving really fast: petrol

For not killing our planets ability to sustain himan life: electric

Its not that hard

Gladaed ,

Driving really fast is electric, still.
Driving fast and quite far is not.

mysteryname101 ,

The current pikes peak speed record is done with an electric car. Electric cars are quite good at speed as well.

ZDL ,
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Except that EVs don't do shit to save the planet. Personal vehicles are the problem. Making a slightly different version of them is worthless.

lemmyingly ,

Eradicating personal vehicles is not feasible.

Not owning a personal vehicle is only okay if you live in the heart of a city and don't go outside of that little bubble. All other scenarios massively benefit from a personal vehicle; even going from one side of a city to another.

ZDL ,
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Not owning a personal vehicle is only okay if you live in the heart of a city …

Like most people in the western world (and indeed likely in most of the world) do.

… and don’t go outside of that little bubble.

Because rental of smaller vehicle services (like taxis, etc.) is totally not a thing.

The problem here is that you have the American disease (even if you're not American). You're so infused with the cultural insistence that there's only one way to do things … the way things are done now … that you literally cannot conceive of a life without cars (or guns, or with public health care). Despite this being, you know, the norm for most of the world.

semperverus ,
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Im sorry but how else do you drive 2 hours into the middle of the woods where there are no other people around so you can get away from godawful society for a while if not owning your own car? Im certainly not going to pay someone else to drive me out to a favorite low/no traffic spot just to show everyone where it is and then ruin it.

lemmyingly ,

Like most people in the western world (and indeed likely in most of the world) do.

I'm going to have to see a source for this claim.

I know the person has merit in their argument when they go on the personal attack. 👍

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