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    moreeni ,

    I don’t understand people who don’t use inverted scrolling. That’s just so counter-intuitive.

    woelkchen ,
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    I don’t understand people who don’t use inverted scrolling. That’s just so counter-intuitive.

    Wait, so when you need to go to the bottom of a page, you grab the handle of the scroll bar and actually WANT to have it move in the opposite direction of two finger scrolling?

    moreeni ,

    I was talking about scrolling when using a touchpad or touch interface. Scrollbars are different, of course and shouldn’t be inverted.

    woelkchen ,
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    Scrollbars would be moved in the opposite direction of “natural” scrolling. That makes no sense at all.

    PupBiru ,
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    the goal is to use the same action as you would use in a touch screen:

    to scroll content, you “grab” a point on the page and push it up to reveal what’s below it

    to scroll a scroll bar, you “grab” the bar and move it down because you’re not moving the content; you’re moving the “%age complete” indicator

    it only seems illogical if you’ve not been using natural scrolling. it is, in fact, incredibly intuitive if you haven’t built up muscle memory for the opposite

    woelkchen ,
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    the goal is to use the same action as you would use in a touch screen:

    Whose goal? Why? A touchpad is not a touch screen.

    it only seems illogical if you’ve not been using natural scrolling. it is, in fact, incredibly intuitive if you haven’t built up muscle memory for the opposite

    No, there is nothing intuitive about using two different scroll directions.

    PupBiru ,
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    i don’t think you’re aware that people can use interfaces differently to you

    you say whose goal like someone decided one day that this is the only way to do things… i said “the goal” as in the goal of a particular method of scrolling, explaining that there is a logical reasoning behind the UI choice; that it’s not arbitrary

    you should pick a hill to die on that’s not something as arbitrary as natural scrolling. there are more important things in life that fighting with people on the internet about scrolling interface preferences

    woelkchen ,
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    Of course I’m aware of that. You change that in the settings then but leave the defaults sane for normal people.

    PupBiru ,
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    use of the words “sane” and “normal people” suggest that you still don’t understand one of the fundamental tenants of linux: freedom to choose

    the implication that people who don’t operate their computer the same as you are insane and abnormal is… well… counter to many of the philosophies that make linux fantastic

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    use of the words “sane” and “normal people” suggest that you still don’t understand one of the fundamental tenants of linux: freedom to choose

    I’m not advocating to take away the option. Never have. OP’s question was about the default and frequently people claim that inverted scrolling was the “natural” way. Funny how you feel attacked by me using similar terms for non-inverted scrolling but have no problems when people claim that inverted scrolling is the natural way as if everyone else was acting unnatural…

    Thwompthwomp ,

    It just depends on your abstraction you’re mentally using. If you think of a sliding moving visual window on a document, then you like the scroll bar mental model. If you think of moving the content itself, then you like the phone scroll model. I have no idea which one “natural” or “inverted” is and don’t really care what the default is.

    For touchpads, give me the phone style scroll. For a mouse wheel, give me scroll bar scroll.

    It does feel weird that middle click and then move the mouse (I think Firefox does that kind?) will move the view such that down motion movies content up. But instead click and drag (okukar browse function) upward motion moves content up. Again, just depends on your abstraction in that moment.

    woelkchen ,
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    It just depends on your abstraction you’re mentally using. If you think of a sliding moving visual window on a document, then you like the scroll bar mental model. If you think of moving the content itself, then you like the phone scroll model.

    But it’s two different directions whether you grab the scrollbar handle or move two fingers. Why would I need to learn two different movement directions for a single scroll direction? That makes no sense and it’s not natural.

    Thwompthwomp ,

    I pointed out how that happens already though. Firefox uses middle-click to direct a widgety thing to move the viewport. Other documents use middle click and drag to move the document. The same hand motion will move in two entirely opposite directions. I know some people get really (like REALLY) hung up on this though, and understand that. I just view it as another abstraction I get to move through.

    (Also, for me its two entirely different physical movements of grabbing the scrollbar vs scrolling with two fingers, so I don’t even notice. In one, I use middle and ring to move a document around. Another, I’m moving the mouse with a single finger, and then pressing down directly or using my thumb to click and then moving the finger.)

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