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DiachronicShear ,

This whole post can be summarized by: "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression".

The Left (I myself identify as a Leftist) behaves the way they do (again, ideologies are not monoliths) generally because, essentially, Men have always been in power, have shaped society, and have benefited from this shaped society since the dawn of time. Yes this is the Patriarchy. In our patriarchal society, women are objectified and sexualized from a young age, with the cat-calling and sexual harassment starting in the teen years or younger. 1 out of every 6 women in america have been the victim of sexual assault/rape. I myself have several female employees that have been the victimized by this, and one of them even said that her mother told her "if you were in a relationship with him it can't be rape".

When men complain about Men's Rights/Inequality, it sounds a lot like the rich complaining that workers want higher wages in an age of record corporate profits. "Crocodile Tears" often sums it up. When a man complains about a perceived slight, expecting everyone to drop everything to help him, it's hard to do that when what that man has experienced is just a fraction of what you go through constantly.

Leftists and feminists calling for equality does not make the life of the oppressor worse. It just means things will be equal. Men saying "it's not fair" rings hollow when men have been oppressing women for millennia, and all women want is to be treated equally.

oh and denigrating Jordan Peterson is good. He is someone actively funneling people towards facscism and nazi-ism. Men need someone promoting Positive Masculinity, not telling men that a woman being mean to them means all women are evil. He's like the king of the incels and if you look up to him you need to seriously re-examine your life.

Mshuser ,
  1. The patriarchy has never existed in north American history. Most of the gendered oppression have been caused by the monarchy, specifically coverture practices. We had kings and queens (both of whom who have equal powers to create laws before it got taken away). You're also using the apax fallacy to judge men as a whole by the actions of a few men and women in power who are in the minority. The only reason we consider it a patriarchy is due to patriarchy theory (most positions in power are held by men, therefore men oppress women) which is not only rooted in apax fallacy, it's designed to encourage misandry on a societal level.
  2. Feminism has never been about equality. Many 'proto-feminists' such as Mary Wollstonecraft who actually written books about the rights of women and men never called herself a feminist. It was academic feminists from 1848 and onwards who claimed them as such. The ideology of feminism where it classifies men as the oppressor class of women (thanks Elizabeth cady staton) and developing concepts such as the patriarchy theory (kate miller, andrea dworkin and the like) that IS misandry, yet it gaslight everyone into thinking it's about equality.

"Men saying "it's not fair" rings hollow when men have been oppressing women for millennia, and all women want is to be treated equally." Rich people in power have been oppressing everybody else for millennia of history, it just shows up differently based on gender. That's how these things have always been.

Dwayne-Payton879 OP ,

I never said that I like Jordan Peterson but emotional vulnerability from a man you disagree with isn't worthy of denigration.

Also what about all of the men who have been oppressed over the years alongside these women? All the men that have been treated differently?

Also when men complain about any issue, there is someone like you chiming in saying this kinda stuff.

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