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breadsmasher ,
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Name a single revolution/revolutionary change that took place by following “law and order”

stanleytweedle ,

The whole point of revolution is to establish a new order with different laws.

The notion that any ‘side’ doesn’t respect laws and order itself is nonsense. Unfortunately the term ‘law and order’ has been trademarked by certain groups to mean submission to certain brand of authority, but we don’t need to respect that trademark- ‘law and order’ aren’t inherently negative concepts, they’re kind of crucial to a functional society.

Clairvoidance OP ,
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I think that misses the point of the post as Zizek argues the shaking of order as things are now will lead to more right wing authoritarianism.

Tomthndsh ,

I think the argument is, if the left abandons law and order, the right will fill the vacuum with authoritarianism. I believe this.

We are not going to de-fund the police. In Ontario the right wing Ford government has reduced the educational requirements of people entering the police force, this is a blatant attempt to keep the police racist and sexist. The left leaning parties have no interest or plans on how to recruit or train the police. The vacuum, means that right wing parties push to get what they want, an authoritarian police force.

QHC ,
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The left leaning parties have no interest or plans on how to recruit or train the police.

I can't speak about Ontario specifically, but broadly speaking this is simply untrue. The left has tons of ideas for how policing should be reformed or what kind of institutions could take the place of many things the police typically do currently.

Lots of those ideas begin with "start over from scratch", however, so the right likes to pretend that those ideas don't exist or just states they aren't possible without giving them fair consideration.

Tomthndsh ,

'start over from scratch' is not an option. Many of the other ideas that the left has for reforming the police, such as extra training for soft skills, don't really work. I just don't hear any good ideas. That's the issue, the left really doesn't put out a comprehensive plan for policing communities that needs it.

QHC ,
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Oh, so now the left does have ideas, and you are suddenly familiar with all of them? How did we go from nothing to "I don't like their ideas" so fast?

How much effort have you actually put into finding out what the left is talking about on this issue?

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