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PenguinJuice ,

The only thing I care about is student loan forgiveness and so far he's done fuck all. Until that is handled, as far as I'm concerned his presidency had been mediocre at best to shitty at worst.

spaceghoti OP ,

I’m sorry that the issue you care about most has failed, but it’s not like it’s because Biden hasn’t fought for student loan forgiveness. It is not his fault that conservative judges have shut it down.

npr.org/…/supreme-court-student-loan-forgiveness-…

Ertebolle ,

Also they keep rolling out new repayment plans and narrower rounds of forgiveness and stuff like that - if the courts won't let them do it all at once, they'll keep chipping away bit by bit until they forgive as much debt for as many people as the system will allow.

Chetzemoka ,

There are a ton of people who can't accept progress unless it arrives hand delivered to them in a package that looks exactly the way they imagined with a bow on top.

Progress is progress. I don't care how it happens. We need to stop letting the perfect be the enemy of the good

HuddaBudda ,
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On one end, I believe most of us can see the republican party is outright embarrassing this idea that they hurt the poor.

On the other hand, a leader is defined by his successes, not his failures. No matter how charismatic he might be. He is already clearing student debt in a different ways, So I am not counting him out yet.

But I also know the dangers of overpraising democrats for starting a project and not finishing it.

PenguinJuice ,

He hasn't done shit for me so yeah, nah, he's done fuck all. When September comes and the economy comes crashing down we'll see how forgiving everyone is.

PenguinJuice ,

Yeah, honestly these people can pretty much do anything they want if they want to do it. Democrats could've fought about it harder. People commit people to war to die and change the lives of others every day. If they wanted to do something, they could do it. It's no excuse. This is all a charade.

It's the Republicans fault wink wink

spaceghoti OP ,

I see that enlightened centrism has entered the chat.

Goodbye.

maniajack ,

so far he's done fuck all

Come on now you absolutely know he tried to forgive a ton of student debt and you know it was republicans and the right-wing captured supreme court that blocked it. So why are you blaming Biden exactly... I don't really need an answer I just think you should blame the right people and maybe appreciate where we would be if we didn't have Biden in the white house.

SeedyOne ,

I feel like some people think he can wave the “Executive Order” wand and there wouldn’t be repercussions or other roadblocks.

skulblaka ,
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Largely because Trump did a lot of waving around of the Executive Order wand.

Problem is, that only works when you have flunkies that can back it up for you. Trump had a horde of goons that were eager to drink the kool-aid and support anything he said, reasonable or not. Biden is working with the opposite, with a congress full of people that will reject anything he says even if it's a genuinely good idea. Obama struggled with similar problems, being stonewalled by congress.

The Republican party long ago abandoned any pretense of actually governing and has simply become anti-democratic. This, in part, though not completely, is what has halted Biden's progress, just one in a line of many of his forebears and probably several of his successors unless America collectively pulls its head out of its ass.

starrox ,
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The Republican party long ago abandoned any pretense of actually governing and has simply become anti-democratic.

I’ve been wondering for years now how long it will take until the majority of your population finally recognizes the fact and hits the streets about it. So far I’ve been dissapointed repeatedly and crushingly. Voting repeately against your own interest seems to be some kind of national sport in the US 🤕

Silverseren ,

"Largely because Trump did a lot of waving around of the Executive Order wand."

And, honestly, a lot of his executive orders did f*** all because of that. He claimed to have passed an EO to do something, but nothing really happened in actuality, he just got to claim it did.

Bizarroland ,
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He even exercised his veto power to force student loan forgiveness through. Like if it weren't for assholes it would have happened.

Blaming the president for the existence of powerful assholes is like blaming the police because an alcoholic ran into your parked car.

PenguinJuice ,

I will blame the Biden and every goon in power for the horrible quality of life were all about to feel in September. Full stop.

mrnotoriousman ,

What exactly do you think is going to happen in the next 30 days?

TheHighRoad ,
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I would argue that the carrot should not have been dangled unless there was absolute certainty that they would deliver. Otherwise I’m fine with Biden. His experience is underrated, IMO, and I think the guy does want to do good for the country. He is old.

spaceghoti OP ,

That kind of certainty is unreasonable in this world. Especially while Republicans are dealing in bad faith.

PenguinJuice ,

Democrats could do it if they wanted to.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the democrats and Republicans are both locked in a charade. Oh it's the Republicans fault. Oh no! wink wink

Bipta ,

This isn't a fair comment and your recent comments acknowledging the pause on interest prove that you know enough that you should realize it.

AnonTwo ,

He did everything within his power to do, so if you feel he did "fuck all", then look to all the other branches that got it shut down.

Vote in more people who have your interests, don't blame the person who tried to do something.

kakarico ,

Liberals are so fucking predictable lmfao “just vote harder” 🤣

AnonTwo ,

Well wtf are you going to get out of getting mad at someone who very clearly got shut down trying to do something?

kakarico ,

I’m not mad lol I just think your idea of voting to save the future is funny.

spaceghoti OP ,

If voting doesn’t work, why are Republicans trying so hard to keep us from doing it?

queermunist , (edited )
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He did everything in his power that wasn’t politically risky, but not literally everything.

I don’t blame him. If he did some of the more risky things that I’ve heard of, I think it would have either resulted in impeachment or civil war lol

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    queermunist ,
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    One thing he hasn’t tried is to ignore the Supreme Courts decisions. Republicans are already doing it, so turnabout is fair play.

    Another thing he hasn’t tried is to use the power of his public reach to rally supporters and call them to action. This is something Trump did to great effect, leading to all those MAGA moms invading town halls and school board meetings and getting the GOP agenda pushed through.

    Stuff like that. It’s all way too extreme and would destabilize the country, be he could technically do it.

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    queermunist ,
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    We’ll see.

    My point is, Biden doesn’t even try stuff like this; he doesn’t do risky things that might lead to political backlash. He plays it safe and obeys the political norms, and within those limitations does everything he can. I understand his strategy, even if I disagree with it.

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    queermunist ,
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    It was safe because he left himself open to being stopped and he followed all the rules. It’s all within the norms of government. It was a smart political move, too, because it made people hate the illegitimate court even more than they already did.

    Unsafe would be ignoring the Supreme Court’s decision and just doing it anyway. As the apocryphal quote goes, “The Supreme Court has made it’s decision, now let them enforce it.”

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    queermunist ,
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    The only actions in office that aren’t safe are actions which are, by definition, dangerous or have some kind of risk of consequences.

    Biden didn’t risk anything by setting up student loan forgiveness to be struck down. That doesn’t actually hurt him politically at all, and in fact, strengthens his political case against the Republican party! What actual risk or danger did he face by getting challenged in the Court? The worst thing they could do is say “No” - that’s nothing! He played it safe and he always does.

    I don’t think he made the “wrong” choice, by the way. The only other choices he could have made would have resulted in actual political or public backlash onto him or the party or the government and its institutions. He chose the safe path. It makes perfect sense.

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    queermunist , (edited )
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    It failed because the Supreme Court stopped him, he can use that to his advantage.

    It’s like with abortion. RvW was overturned and it only benefited Democrats. This will have the same effect, I think.

    EDIT Wait shit I said you could have the last word - sorry, clicking “show context” doesn’t actually show context atm lol

    BurnTheRight ,

    Conservatives are to blame for student loan forgiveness not being enacted. By the way, his backup plan is a huge step, despite conservatives attempts to make students suffer. You will still being paying very little in loan repayments, and in some cases absolutely nothing (depending on income). I don't know how this is being so over-looked, but it's still a huge win.

    (From the official whitehouse website)

    Borrowers will only pay a maximum of 5% of discretionary income monthly.

    Raise the amount of income that is considered non-discretionary income and therefore is protected from repayment, guaranteeing that no borrower earning under 225% of the federal poverty level—about the annual equivalent of a $15 minimum wage for a single borrower—will have to make a monthly payment under this plan.

    Forgive loan balances after 10 years of payments, instead of 20 years, for borrowers with original loan balances of $12,000 or less. The Department estimates that this reform will allow nearly all community college borrowers to be debt-free within 10 years.

    Not charge borrowers with unpaid monthly interest, so that unlike other existing income-driven repayment plans, no borrower’s loan balance will grow as long as they make their monthly payments—even when that monthly payment is $0 because their income is low.

    demesisx , (edited )
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    I can’t believe the absurd neoliberal replies you’re getting. Dude literally WROTE the legislation that put us in this student loan predicament and his son was given $250,000 by MBNA the following year.

    And for everyone saying Biden tried his best, He INTENTIONALLY lost the battle to forgive student loans, you stupid dupes!

    inquirer.com/…/Biden_It_was_an_outrage_in_2005_so…

    www.gq.com/story/joe-biden-bankruptcy-bill

    motherjones.com/…/biden-bankruptcy-president/

    cleveland.com/…/how-joe-biden-helped-inflame-the-…

    theguardian.com/…/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-200…

    consumerbankers.com/…/joe-biden-backed-bills-make…

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