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Thordros ,
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Joe Mansion and Christian Cinema are just this administration’s Joe Liberalman. Aw beans, we wanted to do a good thing, but this one guy is gumming up the works! If only there was something we could do…

… like kick him off his committees. Pull his funding. Pull his endorsements. Revoke his party membership. Revoke federal contracts and close military bases in his state. Anything. Literally just change the rules! The Senate can do that!

And that’s just moral, ethical, rules-and-order-and-norms stuff they could do. There’s plenty of evil (but perfectly legal) shit the President can do. Pull Mansion or Sinema into the back of The Beast, and show them some live footage of a predator drone flying over their houses. Remember, Obama established that you can drone strike US citizens if you’re the President!

spaceghoti OP ,

Anything. Literally just change the rules! The Senate can do that!

The Senate can do that with a simple majority of votes. But when they need Manchin and Sinema to achieve that majority and neither of them are interested in helpful changes like fixing the filibuster, no. No they can’t do that.

flan ,
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joe budden is in charge of the guns

spaceghoti OP ,

But Democrats aren’t the authoritarians in this country, whatever Republicans try to say.

came_apart_at_Kmart ,

so you’re saying they can’t get anything done, because they follow special, unwritten rules against getting things done. because getting a good thing done is bad.

another ringing endorsement to vote for the Democrats.

spaceghoti OP ,

No. I’m saying that they can’t get things done until we do our part. We have to give them a majority that can make people like Manchin irrelevant. It’s our fault that things are like this, not theirs. Operating within the rules and not pursuing their lust for power is just one of the reasons we ought to be helping them attain that majority.

There’s plenty of blame to go around. The current political climate and the restrictions they’re operating under is not something that can reasonably be blamed on the White House or the current Senate Democrats.

autismdragon , (edited )
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If we gave them a 52 seat majority, the two most conservative Democrats in the Senate would suddenly become Manchin/Sinemas.

Anyway, its not up to us to .serve the party with our votes. There is no doing our part. Its up to them to earn it by being a useful party.

prole ,
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That’s just not true. The first part that is.

AOCapitulator , (edited )
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Right, it’s my fault the planet is dying because I personally failed to recycle my .0000000001% of plastic waste that I didn’t ask to have produced

Everything would be fine if people like me just didn’t litter, no more pacific garbage patch!

Those starving children in Africa are only hungry because I’m neglecting my personal responsibility to donate to charities!

This historical moment didn’t arise from nowhere. It’s basically a straight fucking line for the last 90 years, the process is this way on purpose, the democrats are this way on purpose

This is the goal, not an accident

linuxman50 ,

please visit the Organic Shelter blog website!!! organicshelter.life

AOCapitulator ,
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??

alcoholicorn , (edited )

Operating within the rules and not pursuing their lust for power is just one of the reasons we ought to be helping them attain that majority.

Why would I miss a day of work to vote for someone who is going to handicap themselves instead of using the tools at their disposal?

If dems kicked Mansion and Sinema off all committees, cut all discretionary funds flowing into the state, and Biden’s AG indicted Manchin/his family for corruption and Sinema for campaign finance violations, then I could believe they genuinely wanted to pass the policies these people are blocking.

Instead the dem’s actions are no different than if they opposed these policies.

HornyOnMain , (edited )

Operating within the rules and not pursuing their lust for power is just one of the reasons we ought to be helping them attain that majority

So you’re saying we should support the democrats because when they get into power they won’t try to get any the good things they want done done unlike the republicans who will happily stoop however low they can to get all the bad things they want done

spaceghoti OP ,

Are you seriously going to ignore the good legislation Democrats have passed in the last twenty years and say shit like that?

Go away.

BeamBrain ,
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farquaad-point LIB

BurgerPunk ,
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What good legislation? The Crime bill? Clinton’s Welfare Reform? The Telecom deregulation? Repeal of Glass-Stegal? The resolution to invade Iraq? The Patriot Act? The bill Biden backed to keep people from discharging student loans through bankruptcy? Watered down ACA with no public option?

They never codified Roe. They never codified Ogerfell. They never did anything about Citizens United.

Edit: Wall Street bailouts in 08? Forcing people back to work during Covid? Not sending people the $2,000 they promised? That bill crushing the Railroad strike?

ShimmeringKoi , (edited )
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Fucking lol

Is that why the cops in my very blue city in my very blue state got all these new tanks and robots since the George Floyd protests?

spaceghoti OP ,

Well, there’s a scintillating rejoinder! Feel free to lay down some verifiable facts that prove me wrong.

ThereRisesARedStar , (edited )

Well, there’s a scintillating rejoinder! Feel free to lay down some verifiable facts that prove me wrong.

smuglord

A democrat funded group put this out:

thirdway.org/…/the-red-city-defund-police-problem

spaceghoti OP ,

The spoiler political group? Buahahahahahahaha! Good job!

Also, goodbye.

Adkml ,

They’re authoritarians whenever a minority asks them to stop killing them but when it comes to opposing fascism that’s when they slap the handcuffs on themselves and insist them doing nothing is the morally superior choice.

rjs001 ,
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Do you think all the women that don’t have access to abortion while Democrats are in power right now think that?

linuxman50 ,

please visit the Organic Shelter blog website!!! organicshelter.life

silent_water ,
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football-lucy

bane_killgrind ,

Revoke federal contracts and close military bases in his state.

These things hurt working class people, and are transparent retribution. They would hurt support for a democrat that decided to do it.

Ram_The_Manparts ,
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As if the feckless democrats aren’t already hurting the working class lmao

AOCapitulator ,
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I for one love when my nationwide rail strikes are crushed between daddy bidens big honking hairy legs

ToxicDivinity , (edited )
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So the status quo is good for you? Better than trying to use leverage to force an old piece of shit to do something good for people?

edit: Actually having a spine would help support for dems in my opinion. But we’ll never know if I’m right because the dems will never try that.

IHaveTwoCows ,

oh no nert the jerbs

(Fun fact: jobs are NEVER an excuse for bad policy or for dodging consequences)

Adkml ,

Unless there’s a contingent of people who would actually support the dems if they adopted the strategy of “literally doing anything at all to oppose fascism”

Oh no, we don’t want it to look like we’re retaliating against fascists

TC_209 ,

Operating and maintaining the Death Star created hundreds of thousands of jobs for hard-working Imperial citizens.

bane_killgrind ,

Absolutely how the rest of the world thinks about the US military in general, this is great

prole ,
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The worst is that people (in this very thread) are blaming the Democratic party. I’m sure most of them are posting in bad faith, but I know there are people who think this way. There’s an entire party actively working to undermine our democracy, but it’s those “shitty Democrats” that suck for making this happen.

IronCorgi ,

I think the fundamental disconnect here is that there is one political party dedicated to destroying the government and installing themselves as permanent oligarchs, and one party who doesn't agree with them but at the same time treats the other party with congeniality and does little to oppose them. People want a party willing to fight the fascists, but democrats will fight tooth and nail to not do that, harder than they are willing to fight the republicans.

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