Separation of Powers: a primer for our "friends" from hexbear. ( www.law.cornell.edu )

The term “Separation of Powers” was coined by the 18th century philosopher Montesquieu. Separation of powers is a model that divides the government into separate branches, each of which has separate and independent powers. By having multiple branches of government, this system helps to ensure that no one branch is more powerful than another. Typically, this system divides the government into three branches: the Legislative Branch, the Executive Branch, and the Judicial Branch. The United States federal government and forty states divide their governments into these three branches.

In the federal government, Article 1 of the United States Constitution establishes the Legislative Branch, which consists of Congress. Congress, in addition to other enumerated responsibilities, is responsible for creating laws. As a general rule, the nondelegation doctrine prohibits the Legislative Branch from delegating its lawmaking responsibilities. Congress can, however, provide agencies with regulatory guidelines if it provides them with an “intelligible principle” to base their regulations on. For more information on the Legislative Branch, refer to “Congress.”

Article 2 of the United States Constitution establishes the Executive Branch, which consists of the President. The President approves and carries out the laws created by the Legislative Branch. For more information on the Executive Branch, refer to “Executive Branch.”

Article 3 of the United States Constitution establishes the Judicial Branch, which consists of the United States Supreme Court. The Judicial Branch interprets the laws passed by the Legislative Branch. For more information on the Judicial Branch, refer to “Judiciary.”

Separation of Powers in the United States is associated with the Checks and Balances system. The Checks and Balances system provides each branch of government with individual powers to check the other branches and prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful. For example, Congress has the power to create laws, the President has the power to veto them, and the Supreme Court may declare laws unconstitutional. Congress consists of two houses: the Senate and the House of Representatives, and can override a Presidential veto with a 2/3 vote in both houses.

The Checks and Balances System also provides the branches with some power to appoint or remove members from the other branches. Congress can impeach and convict the president for high crimes, like treason or bribery. The House of Representatives has the power to bring impeachment charges against the President; the Senate has the power to convict and remove the President from office. In addition, Supreme Court candidates are appointed by the President and are confirmed by the Senate. Judges can be removed from office by impeachment in the House of Representatives and conviction in the Senate. In this way, the system provides a measure, in addition to invalidating laws, for each branch to check the others.

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Farman ,

Honestly this all sounds like arbitrary shit someone made up without proper justification or consideration.

All forms of goverment have checks and balances. How is this special?

All forms of goverment are a way to achive consensus amongst the rulling class. How is this different?

Why is this separation of powers the ideal one?

Why separate the legislative and the judiciary when there is a rich tradition of common law?

Why cant the executive act by commitie or in a decentralized way?

Are these “powers” actually autonomus or arbitrary constructions dependent on other institutions to act?

Why are these considered the central responsabilities of the state? Why cant the legislature and the judiciary be separate from the state like in the abassid era?

Why cant a workers party be a branch?

BurgerPunk , (edited )
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

Cause the Founding Father’s. Ever heard of them? Probably not. You have to have a very high IQ to know about them and how they are perfect.

Bet you didn’t consider that did you tankie? smuglord

comrade_pibb ,
@comrade_pibb@hexbear.net avatar

wtf i have been owned, tip of the hat good sir/ma’am

aebletrae ,
spaceghoti OP ,

Gladly!

aebletrae ,

Of course. I’m probably not the only one who thinks you like adding people to lists. Blaming your woes on the Others and treating them differently based on a mark they carry were just two of the clues.

quicksand ,

TIL there’s only forty states in the US

Ho_Chi_Chungus ,
@Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net avatar

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/30c256d6-ce71-4c73-b83c-466d44644a8d.png

I’ll be dead in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri, Idaho, South Dakota, Alaska, Rhode Island, Hawai’i, Utah, Indiana, Florida, or Maine!

booty ,
@booty@hexbear.net avatar

we know how the us government works, the problem is that the way it works is evil and must be changed for the good of humanity.

OurToothbrush ,

Wouldn’t the person trying to get Manchin to vote alongside other democrats be the party whip, which is a member of the legislature?

Honestly this comes off as comically pathetic attempt at a gotcha. Like “technically…” but youre just wrong about the facts.

PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS , (edited )
@PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net avatar

I also learned about the American government in sixth grade and then never thought about it again until this very moment

Fun fact: Did you know that a young George Washington chopped down a cherry tree?

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

He could not tell a lie, but he could own slaves and make money on crooked land deals

sharedburdens ,

This is a democracy designed to represent slave owners, just like Athenian ‘democracy’.

brain_in_a_box ,

Quoting scripture of the Americas civil religion.

BurgerPunk ,
@BurgerPunk@hexbear.net avatar

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5821e092-99b6-44c8-8f90-fb9d698a1731.png Do not put your faith in such trinkets of deceit. Our ways are not your ways. And to you there shall be many strange things

Awoo , (edited )

Lmao why are you explaining incredibly basic things even people outside of the US know and acting like you’re saying something incredible and knowledgeable?

This is literally primary school content for 11 year olds. How old are you @spaceghoti ? Why on earth do you think this is notable or worth raising and act like it’s something everyone hasn’t already heard before?

Have you read the Federalist Papers? Specifically number 10.

abc , (edited )
@abc@hexbear.net avatar

Wow…this is the first time I’m hearing about this. Can you recommend some more reading if I’m interested in learning more??

reddwarf , (edited )
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

I understand what you do and what you mean with this post but it will be futile. Hexbear and lemmygrad are toxic instances where you cannot have a proper conversation with its users.

I call it the 4chan style of discussing things. Make you answer a plethora of questions without them needing to answer your questions. The point is to pit you constantly on the back-foot. They count on your morals and decency to keep answering and defending your opinions where they will absolutely have no desire to do the same thing. The end goal is for you to become frustrated and give up. For you to become disheartened.

I urge all instance owners to defederate from these shitholes, nothing of value will be lost.

spaceghoti OP ,

And for those who don’t have the access to disfederate from them, you can block the ones who show up here.

reddwarf ,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

Rejoice and despair no longer!
This PR in lemmy will implement the possibility to block an instance as user : PR

spaceghoti OP ,

From your link:

Posts from users of blocked instances are still visible in other places.

That doesn’t seem to be a solution for this particular problem.

reddwarf , (edited )
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

If the admin of an instance A defederates instance B, all users on instance A will no longer see instance B.
However, other instances (like for example instance C) will still see the comments/users from instance B.

The user being able to block instance B will no longer see anything from that instance B but all other users on instance A will keep seeing all from instance B. It is a personal instance block after all

This is how I understood the user instance blocking and it kinda aligns on how I think the fediverse works. But I could be wrong.

spaceghoti OP ,

I get disfederation keeping people from finding an instance, but blocking an instance apparently doesn’t stop me from having to deal with the users of that instance showing up here.

reddwarf ,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

Then I think I fail to see what you mean and want.

The PR is meant to be able to block an instance as a user but you seem to think that it is about finding an instance and blocking that? I see no real purpose in such a feature tbh.
This is not how I understood the new feature but again, I could be wrong.

I will await the new feature and hope and pray it is what I think it is.

spaceghoti OP ,

I’m looking for a way to block everyone registered through an instance like hexbear, so when they brigade our forums I can easily ignore them.

reddwarf ,
@reddwarf@feddit.nl avatar

Ditto! 🤞

mycorrhiza ,

you made a thread calling out another community by name and now you are complaining that they are in the thread

spaceghoti OP ,

What complaints am I making?

mycorrhiza , (edited )

all of your comments here are about blocking them

if you just made this thread as a ploy to draw out hexbears to block — ostensibly because you are annoyed that they swarm threads — then you could have simply found one of those previous threads that annoyed you and blocked the hexbear users there, instead of creating a whole new thread just for the occasion.

spaceghoti OP , (edited )

I figured a small civics lesson couldn’t hurt as well. And draw attention to the fact that they’re a big fucking problem that maybe the admins might want to look at. I don’t seem to have a direct way of messaging them.

mycorrhiza ,

the civics lesson comes off as condescending, because it’s stuff everyone learned in high school. and it also seems to take the stance that process is more important than results, at a time when a lot of people could use some results and the process does not seem to be working. the flippancy of the hexbear users in this thread comes from those two things - the perception that you’re being condescending, and frustration at your apparent priorities, which differ from theirs.

StalinwasaGryffindor , (edited )

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