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qnick ,
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In the poll they seem to contrapose capitalism and socialism, which is a false dichotomy. Both can coexist and benefit the society. Look at Scandinavian countries for the example.

queermunist ,
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polskilumalo ,
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What reading no theory does to a mf

Socialism is not welfare, go and read some Engels. Socialism Utopian and Scientific and The Principles of Communism would be a nice start.

Also, a nice primer for why Social Democracy can even exist as it is built on the exploitation of the Global South:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjLmYCfKU7o

So yes, capitalism and socialism are contraposed to each other as the prime contradictions in capitalism cannot be fixed with a little welfare and called “socialism” when it’s not that.

Neve8028 ,

Social democracy and socialism are entirely different.

Tak ,
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Socialism and socialism are entirely different depending on the socialist you ask.

Before any socialists jump on me for that, I’m joking.

Strawberry ,

…capitalist Scandinavian countries?

qnick ,
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It might sound made up, but there is, in fact, free market in Finland.

GoodEye8 ,

If you’re trying to imply that the existence of a free market makes Finland socialist then it might sound made up because it is made up. Free market doesn’t mean a country is socialist, in fact socialism puritans would say the existence of a market economy means there can’t be socialism. There’s market socialism but Finland doesn’t really fit those models either so in what way is Finland socialist? Because the social democratic party is popular there? Most socialist agree that social democracy is not socialism because its policies are not trying to phase out capitalism but rather try to coexist with it in a mixed economy. Marxist theory implies one purpose of socialism is to depreciate capitalism, which means social democracy is ideologically incompatible with socialism.

qnick ,
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I think we both can agree that terminology is way too confusing.

GoodEye8 ,

The terminology is not too confusing. It’s confusing to people who don’t really understand what socialism is. We can agree that understanding socialism isn’t easy, but that’s mostly because people just don’t read what Marx wrote. You can’t understand socialism with the capitalistic definitions of profit, capital, etc.

qnick ,
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Dude, I lived in Soviet Union. I dare to say that I understand socialism better than many.

GoodEye8 ,

Now you’re just contradicting yourself. You consider free market as socialist while the socialism taught in the USSR was based on Marxism-Leninism, which would never consider any market as socialist. How can you give free market as an example of socialism when the socialist paradigm you grew up with would never consider free market as socialist?

Strawberry ,

lmao yes, I’m not sure what you think you’re proving

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