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TCB13 , (edited )
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And then you’ve the fucktards who say in the WEF and other places that “people have to suffer” in order to be more productive / want to work.

They have seen the legacy of all these broken promises. In the old days and in many parts of the West, they would promise you if you worked for 30 years, you have this defined benefit pension, you have retiree medical care, etc. None of that exists today.

But at the end of the day it was the same fucktards who broke the social contract when it comes to work and benefits.

I’m only as good as the value I’m delivering today, and so these are the terms under which I want to work, and you either meet them or not.'"

That’s the right approach to the job market and I’m not even Gen Z. The current state of things, like expecting people to work multiple jobs, underpaying, firing to then hire at half the rate, constant layoffs, unreasonable demands and managers it’s all bullshit that people can’t stand anymore.

numerous Gen Zers are “quiet quitting” and taking a step back at work because they’re painfully aware that their hard work could essentially amount to nothing.

When a employers and governments “loudly quit” on people’s life’s and expectations that’s what they get.

In one survey last year, 74% of managers said the generation was the most challenging to work with.

How many of those managers are 50+ years old, with all they ever wanted and a sense their hard work payed off?

sandevistan ,

Could amount to nothing

Read between the lines here, article writer 🥲, everything amounts to nothing. Nobody wants their life to pass by unlived

Old people are impossible to talk to, painfully neurotic and stupid and obsessed with collecting clothing and electronics. They have zero compassion. They know the social contract is broken and they keep telling us to make the same decisions as them knowing we will get nothing for it and die

TCB13 ,
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Old people are impossible to talk to, painfully neurotic and stupid (…) They know the social contract is broken and they keep telling us to make the same decisions as them knowing we will get nothing for it and die

I guess this is the story of Brexit? The UK shouldn’t have allowed people over 50 years old to vote on that referendum, because they aren’t likely so see the effects of the decision and they’re still delusional about a great empire that can stand alone while they watch American TV shows on a TV made in China and a chair designed in Sweden…

sandevistan ,

Well I’m American so maybe I should clarify only 10% of the people here even currently get to grasp the American dream and statistically it’s white people who get to be homeowners and live in the suburbs and be paranoid and rude to everybody including each other.

We are not doing well everything is falling apart infrastructure wise even in wealthy areas. You better be on the Amazon or Microsoft campus etc if you want it kept up.

Brexit is part of a larger pattern too, we’re basically trying to make Europe Asia-exit lol. And in the same way it will benefit Asia long run.

Meanwhile we try to turn you guys into Senegal #2, a source of crude oil to refine, and a market to buy our refined oil! As long as you continue to develop more drilling without refinement it’s the only way. Geopolitical economy 🗺️

TCB13 ,
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We are not doing well everything is falling apart infrastructure wise even in wealthy areas.

Just to clarify I’m not American nor British and the situation here is mostly what you describe on that phrase. The European dream died before it even started.

sandevistan ,

Ah makes sense. Another example. We like completely destroyed German manufacturing with these energy prices in the process of trying to sever the region from Russia lol

noobnarski ,

I wouldnt say its the energy prices that are destroying German industry (I am German too), but the lack of innovation and way too much bureaucracy (and no, that doesnt mean we should lower emission standards, etc., but we should simplify processes and remove rules that serve no one).

sandevistan ,

It’s making it pretty non competitive and that makes things harder down the line, it’ll become more apparent bc it’s all about keeping up yeah? Same thing happening in USA, due to financialization of fuckin everything and wnting to export labor to countries we have the upper hand on

Look at the whole TSMC expansion debacle

sandevistan ,

“Old people” is pretty inaccurate but a lot of cool old people can be presumed to be dead as well

snek ,
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I guess this is the story of Brexit? The UK shouldn’t have allowed people over 50 years old to vote on that referendum, because they aren’t likely so see the effects of the decision and they’re still delusional about a great empire that can stand alone while they watch American TV shows on a TV made in China and a chair designed in Sweden…

Errrr, so let’s take away the right of people to vote when they hit the age of 50?

LOL, do you think we will be this relevant/irrelevant when we turn 50? Brexit was dumb as fuck but that doesn’t justify stripping away people’s rights.

sandevistan ,

They can’t be serious lol they’re just waffling nonsense

snek ,
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And I’m supposed to guess that how? From the /s they didn’t add to the end of their post, or?

sandevistan ,

Oh I wasn’t saying you were dumb, they’re dumb

TCB13 ,
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No no, what’s your take on this? lemmy.world/comment/6915894

sandevistan ,

Dumb article that bowlderizes actual labor issues into stale generational politics takes that have been pushed by consultants since the 90s as blandly palatable fodder for this kind of writing.

TCB13 ,
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That’s fair.

sandevistan ,

The generational politics thing irks me because it’s an example of advertisers openly trying to divide people’s families and yet that gets taken seriously by “muh family values” conservatives.

TCB13 ,
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Go look for stats on the referendum, if it wasn’t for the 50+ years old people the UK would still be in the EU. It’s not about “let’s take away the right of people to vote” it is about “how can we let people take vote for something that wont ever affect them either way?”. I bet there was someone voting to leave that died of old age the next day, should that person have as much voting power as someone who’s on their 30’s and had to live an extra 50 years with the fallout of the decidion?

snek ,
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Yes. Your right to vote doesn’t change based on how many days you have left to live. By this logic, maybe we should ban everyone with cancer from voting too?

TCB13 ,
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doesn’t change

But maybe it should for certain subjects.

snek ,
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Good luck changing the world to the worse. I’m sure you’ll do a stellar job.

snek ,
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Old people are impossible to talk to, painfully neurotic and stupid

Could I ask, how old are you and why do you find it that way? :/ Never had this experience. Maybe my grandpa is a grumpy old fuck but otherwise “old people” are just “people”.

sandevistan ,

Old ppl in the suburbs lol, this only goes for a small subset. I’m reconsidering things after meeting potential inlaws tbqhbbq

snek ,
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So you mean, specifically older Americans (?) living in the suburbs?

Also again how old are you? A bit curious.

sandevistan ,

Yep. Early twenties. There are plenty of awesome old people in this country. Shitty paranoid homeowners who wpuld enjoy aprtheid south aftica congregate in suburbs

snek ,
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I feel like the coolest old people I have met were Americans who travel.

sandevistan ,

I hear Americans are the worst tourists lol, and the most likely to be there to buy a woman for that matter

snek ,
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No, none of the ones I saw in Europe.

sandevistan ,

A lot of the worst behavior is concentrated in regions people go for a discount like Bali Indonesia, India, Mexico, the Philippines, even Japan and SK, pretty much anywhere non European, I’m not surprised to hear you say that, because Euros and the upper class of saudi arabia and SK and aus and canada and US+NATO and europe is all alike in this way

snek ,
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Funny, reminds me how some Swedish men fly to Thailand to do things they cannot easily/safely do in Sweden, like pay for sex or do drugs.

sandevistan ,

Thailand is a perfect example thanks forgot to mention that.

We also can kind of offer high end “vice services” like gambling and debauchery and whatnot to the elite of gulf states even better if they’re very conservative and we can blackmail the hell out of them afterwards. The elite of the world coming to Las Vegas and Dubai and Thailand and Bali alike I mean

Illuminostro ,

He thinks anyone over 25 is old.

snek ,
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I feel sad for people who cannot relate to other age groups :(

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