whitecapstromgard ,

There is nothing morally wrong with outsourcing. It’s not like these jobs are being lost. They will be done by other people.

Cypher ,

Legally there is clearly a problem.

Morally it is abhorrent to fire people during a pandemic while collecting millions in government funding intended to keep people employed.

NoNotLikeThat ,

Key word here is “illegally”.

Deceptichum ,
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The illegal part was the firing—mostly union workers whomst's bargaining agreement was going to expire the following month.

princessnorah , (edited )
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The part about them being union workers doesn’t super matter. They were on full-time contracts* and Australia doesn’t have at-will employment.

princessnorah ,
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There’s something morally wrong with it when you use it as an excuse to pay those workers significantly less. As well, jobs likely were lost, outsourced contracts rarely have the same rights, including leave entitlements, for their workers.

whitecapstromgard ,

Outsourcing usually happens to countries with lower cost of living. Those people get paid less, but their expenses are also much lower.

Bartsbigbugbag ,

Outsourcing typically happens to exploited countries with comprador governments who bend over backwards to accommodate foreign capital. Often in places where the IMF has dismantled labor laws as part of their “structural adjustment”.

whitecapstromgard ,

This is the typical colonial Western attitude. It’s also a fantasy. Lots of third world countries managed to climb out of poverty in a few generations thanks to outsourcing.

Bartsbigbugbag , (edited )

I agree with the other fellow, which ones? China? 😂

whitecapstromgard ,

China, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam…

Bartsbigbugbag ,

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Tell me how it was outsourcing that led the Chinese government to require any and all foreign development to be Chinese owned, which is what lead to the material base upon which they developed their own domestic industries…

India must be doing great, right about now, huh? No exploited workers anywhere, right?

None of those countries suffered from unequal exchange as a result of their intake of outsourced industries?

whitecapstromgard ,

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    Bartsbigbugbag ,

    Lmaoooo you misread that entirely. I complain about the idiots in my country exploiting workers both domestically and abroad. I congratulate the Chinese on convincing western capital to finance their explosive development.

    princessnorah ,
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    Even if you compare PPP, they are significantly worse off. Why the fuck are you in a worker reform /c/ trying to espouse the virtues of saving money by sending jobs overseas?

    These companies don’t just move to developing countries because the labour is cheaper. The politicians are too, and they wield that influence to stop labour reforms.

    Worker reform is important everywhere. You don’t get to call it okay that one group of workers is getting compensated less than another for doing the same job. That’s utter bullshit.

    whitecapstromgard ,

    I am overseas 🤣

    dudewitbow ,

    Part of the reason why theyres scrutiny is because Qantus workers are unionized. My coworker from Australia used to work there before moving to the U.S because of marriage.

    nothingcorporate ,

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