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puchaczyk ,

Sadly a lot of math heavy textbooks love to present the equations and how to use them, but do a poor job explaining how those equations came to be.

wizardbeard ,
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This was one of my biggest issues with math myself. Sin, cos, tan, and logarithms still confuse me. Meanwhile, derivatives (a calculus concept) are pretty straightforward conceptually with the physics examples of distance, speed, and acceleration.

Derivatives are the change in something. So if you have a graph of something’s distance over time, the derivative is a graph of the change in distance at any given moment, or the speed of the object. Likewise, the derivative of the object’s speed is a graph of the object’s acceleration, or the change in the object’s speed at any given moment.

Anyway, this is also something that I used to rant about with my programming courses in college. You need an understanding of both the concept and the execution of it in order to program with a consistent amount of success, but most courses (and learning material) focus on one or the other.

I do systems admin/engineering, and I’m the team code monkey, but my co-workers want to learn. It’s still the core hurdle I see my them make when they try to script. They either have the concept down with no clue how to script it, or they’re flailing script snippets around without actually understanding what those parts actually do.

Sotuanduso ,
@Sotuanduso@lemm.ee avatar

Logarithms confuse me too, even though I “invented” logarithms one day when I was bored before ever being taught about them. I know they’re exponents in reverse, and I know they can be useful to diminish the relative weight of larger numbers, but whenever I see logs in an equation, my degree of “I can figure out what this equation does” takes a significant hit.

tryptaminev ,
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Whenever dealing with exponential stuff i try to just focus on the formula of what is happening in the exponent. logarithms are taking that down to “normal space”. E.g. exponential functions are like in a warp drive, but you still have ships that can warp faster than others.

agent_flounder ,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

I wished they had taught us more context and concept in college EE classes. I guess super smart people figure that out on their own. It took me until several years after college before things started to click a little. I’m still working on it.

Electromagnetics still seems like dark magic to me though. I hated that class because it seems like it should have been the coolest topic ever but nothing made any sense.

Maybe they need to get dumber people teaching this stuff because at some point if you are too smart you take for granted leaps that elude some of us.

I have done teaching in a Corp setting for several years, and I find that all the questions from and confusion of students really push me to explain better, understand deeper, question some of the concepts, etc. (We teach both concept and execution)

I guess either our classes needed to ask more questions or the profs needed to work on their teaching or something.

tryptaminev ,
@tryptaminev@feddit.de avatar

Electromagnetics are dark magic and there is no way to teach it in any simpler terms that make it plausible without dark magic.

Even if you get all the concepts down. If you start asking “why”. The only real answer is, because in 73 BC an egyptian, a roman and a greek magician met in a basement in Kathargo to perform the most heinous ritual. But since the roman guy had a lisp in saying his incantation, instead of unleashing the demons of hell onto earth, electromagnetics becamse what they are.

azulavoir ,

Imagine taking a line and rolling it around a circle so that it’s always touching. Like a wheel on a flat surface, but from the wheel’s perspective.

Sine and cosine are the X and Y coordinates of the intersection point, and tangent is the slope of the line.

You can also relate it back to acoustics!

0ops ,

Woah

wander1236 ,
@wander1236@sh.itjust.works avatar

Or why you’d want to use them.

I had to do a semester of learning how to deal with Fourier Transforms, with vague mentions of sine waves and slopes, before seeing Technology Connections’ video on CDs and finally understanding what all that math was actually for.

Tar_alcaran ,

You should pick up some civil engineering books. I did 1 year before I realized I hated it, but they’re full of lovely equation that are like [Size of sand grains] x [percentage of empty space filled with water] x ([speed of water flow] + 14) x [Bill Factor]

(We add 14 to prevent the formula from breaking down)

(The Bill Factor was created by Bill Johnson and is 3.11 when it’s raining and 1.70 when it’s not. It is based on practical observations and has no theoretical basis)

tryptaminev ,
@tryptaminev@feddit.de avatar

There is also the whole formula set that adequately describes the phenomenon. It is a three dimensional set of differential equations, where you can only ever know five out of six starting conditions, so you need to iteratively adjust the sixth one until your error term is small enough. The formula set was developed 80 years after Johnsons proposal, using the advancements in computing technology, but the results are not better than what we get with the Bill Factor

So we thank Bill Johnson every day we use his Factor.

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

My math literacy improved tenfold when I discovered the Springer Verlag historical approach math books in college.

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