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deczzz , (edited )
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Cool but they sound like shit. No aesthetics in evs. You don't feel connected to the car. Don't feel the engagement. But hey, cars are all about stats, right, right??

Edit: ok so I get downvoted for having a differing opinion from the majority of Lemmy users here. I'm wrong in saying that EV engines sound like shit?PLEASE one downvoter, explain to me how such a statement deserves a downvote?

Majority of you probably just use your car as a means of transportation. I don't. I also drive to have fun. That's also why I never drive automatic as it is (to me) more engaging and challenging with a manual gear box. Let me give you another example: weight. EVs are heavy, always. I don't like heavily cars because I don't find them enjoyable to drive on small roads.

Please understand that there is more to the world of cars than numbers.

noxy ,
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being on a track and being able to hear what my tires are doing, individually, in the absence of engine and exhaust (and intake) noises, is a pretty cool level of connectedness and engagement.

deczzz ,
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Fair enough. Do you do track days yourself? I would love to learn more about what I can from listening to my tires.

Still, no engine noise.

I'm not a EV hater, just saying that there are more to cars than 0-100km/h stats and range. And to me, most of these aesthetic qualities are lost with EVs. The only EV that looks interesting from a aesthetics point of view is the inonic 5 n, imho.

noxy , (edited )
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Yup!

Two track days in my Taycan - one at Portland International Raceway, and one at Pacific Raceways.

One rallycross event at Dirtfish in a Fiesta ST

Two day AWD rally racing instruction at Dirtfish (their owm WRX STI sedans)

Several track days in a Cayman at Pacific Raceways and one at The Ridge

And awhile back, track days and autocross in RX-8 and Genesis Coupe. Even a winter autocross in the RX-8 once, which was interesting and challenging.

I totally agree that driving cars for enjoyment which have engaging qualities like three pedals can be that much more enjoyable. And I agree that the Ioniq 5 N offers a really compelling feature for folks like us in their simulated gears - I REALLY wanna try that and I hope the concept spreads to other sporty EVs!

Edit: to answer the start of your post, I can hear which tires are losing grip, which can mean a whole bunch of things, like if the fronts are squealing in a corner I could lift off a tiny bit to shift weight forward and give them more grip, or remember to brake earlier before I hit that same turn on the next lap. Nothing I don't already intuit from steering wheel feedback and the "butt feel" of inertia, but it's another dimension of that awareness

rab ,
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But the steering rack isn't even physically connected to the wheels anymore so that sucks

reddithalation ,

how does that matter if the drive by wire has force feedback.

people argued over fly by wire in planes when it started emerging, how it was taking the safe controllable mechanical link away or whatever, but ultimately it has proven its safety and reliability over mechanical linkages anyway

rab ,
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I'm not disagreeing that it's better but I just prefer the direct feel of hydraulic steering. It's the primary reason I drive a 15 year old BMW and refuse to get something newer haha

I've tried the new models but the feel just isn't there

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
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If cars got the same level of maintenance as planes and drivers got the same training as pilots I'd believe that.

noxy ,
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Are you sure that's true for the Taycan?

rab , (edited )
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Lemmy user base will not understand your comment but yes, I will miss the roar of an engine in the future, and the ability to feel the road through the steering wheel. EVs are simply not fun nor interesting even though I can't deny they are 'better'

At least you can get rwd EVs I guess

deczzz ,
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Nope. Hoped Lemmy would be better but it's just like reddit: disagree -> downvote....apparently. I thought up/down voting was supposed to help filter out bad contributions, not silence people with opinions that are different from your own.

We agree.
True but 'better' in what ways? EVs are, as you know, extremely heavy. Is this better or worse? If you don't have a car that you like to drive for the sake of driving, then it might not matter. If you are like me and like to fun on small roads then you might hate heavy cars because of the handling. Most EV lovers don't understand such things because they have a car for the purpose of transportation, not for the purpose of "the drive". Maybe bad generalization but I have yet to meet a person who have had as much fun in an EV as in a more traditional sport oriented car.... Except for the ionic 5 n, but I think there's a novelty factor involved here.

If I only needed my car for transportation, the I would buy an EV, but only because of the reduced fuel costs.

rab ,
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I mean weight is a huge issue too just due to safety. I drove my buddies model Y recently and it felt extremely nimble, probably due to the center of gravity being so good thanks to the batteries

But you can still feel how heavy the vehicle is and I imagine crashing into one would fucking hurt. I mean my GMC Sierra is lighter, it's absurd really

deczzz ,
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Pros and cons as with everything in this world. Great to hear that you had a good time in the model Y. Thanks for letting me know that I'm not all alone with these not-lemmy-approved comments

rab ,
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Don't even pay attention to downvotes, they don't really do anything unlike reddit

noxy ,
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Taycan has excellent steering feedback, for what it's worth.

rab ,
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Would love to try one, Porsche is the only company who still makes cars for people who like cars

noxy ,
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Hyundai is killing there too, tho. The N cars look awesome

ssj2marx , (edited )

I agree that the EV aesthetics suck. Half of them are crossovers which I hate, and the other half are pretty boring - where is my EV in the form factor of a Miata or a Camaro? They made a Mustang EV, but for some absolutely baffling reason neither of the Mustang EVs look like a goddamn Mustang. I get that aerodynamics are important, but I would gladly eat a reduction in max range in order to drive something that looks good or handles better.

As for the sound of the EV engine, I actually like the "whirr" that they make before you get up to speed and it gets drowned out by the tires rolling and wind rushing. It sounds like the future.

AVincentInSpace ,

"But if my car doesn't massively contribute to noise pollution and wake up half the neighborhood when I touch the gas pedal, how will I know I have a penis?"

JackbyDev ,

PLEASE one downvoter, explain to me how such a statement deserves a downvote?

Down voting because this sort of complaint is cringe. Wear down votes with pride and don't comment on them.

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