Yes, masculinity is the real issue here! Gotta focus on that, instead of unimportant stuff like suicide or the draft or family court or anything like that! Nope, gotta tell men they gotta act feminine!
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This shit is exactly why mens lib is actively harmful to men. How on Earth do you guys not see that?
You got it spot on, I’m not a MRA, Im honestly not very familar with the goings on. I just see them on /all and /popular from time to time, and thats when I glance at the front page on their respective subs.
Everytime I glance at the mens rights sub, its about the issues men face, and overcoming them, or solving them, or just talking about the issues. Uplifting men in general.
Everytime at glance at the mens lib, its a bunch of posts about how men are the real monsters, how men should be more feminine, how men are sexist without knowing it, how men are the oppressors, how men are to blame for their issues, how masculinity is toxic, etc etc.
Notably menslib fills their sub with the weird kind of feminism, and has no room left for overcoming mens issues or helping men in general.
And yes, like many groups, mras arent exactly coherent. Theres definitely some assholes among them, same as feminism, same as mens lib, Im sure. Hell, a few suffragettes went on to become OG fascists. Every large group of humans has assholes. That does not mean the group is bad, just that theyre human.
You really have to go with what they say and do as a whole, and make your own judgement. The klan was bad. The suffragettes were good. That sort of thing. I cant convince you of anything, this is an internet argument, but maybe give the sub a chance. And definitely stay away from A voice for men, fucking christ.
Okay, I dont strictly agree with those terms, that MRAs are part of the “manosphere”. Im sure you could probably find assholes who do hate women, but you can also find feminists who hate men, and feminism as a whole doesnt hate men. Thats just a case of wikipedia being absolute trash when it comes to politics.
In any case, I owe you a list. Google is giving me grief and only shows stuff from like splc and various other feminist groups. I did find this, but its not much. old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/wiki/faq#wiki_35._doe…
Edit: but I can see why youd be opposed to mras if you did think MRAs were part of the manosphere. I would be too.
This kind of thinking is why MRAs succeed where Mens Lib fail. Mens Lib is all about men’s rights through a feminist lens, but feminism does not give a single shit about men. Even just having a space for mens issue leads to posts like this, which downplay and even try to silence men who try to talk about their issues.
And no, it is not harmful to talk about mens issues. We can have many different places all focusing on different things. Like a cat sub focusing on cats, and a dog sub focusing on dogs. A dog sub existing does not mean the cat sub is any less valid, it’s just a place about dogs.
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And for the record, MRAs and Mens Lib are fighting for the same things. It’s a good goal. The only real difference is men’s lib burdens themselves with a feminist perspective, which does not help, and as this post shows, hurts.
Honestly, I dont. I dont tend to dig into the politics and personal lives of musicians. Tom Morello is a bit of an exception because he tends to come up more than his music does.
Tom Morello has a net worth of 30 million dollars and is even a Harvard Grad and lives in a beverly hills gated community. Hes not poor or even middle class. Hes fucking rich. He could donate his money, but he doesn’t.
I did get one thing wrong. He calls himself a socialist, he just uses communist imagery a lot, like the hammer and sickle.
Honestly, yeah, Im good. I saw family and friends over the holidays, I have no major worries, life is pretty good all things considered. How about you?
Oh, you mean the multi-millionaire communist? The guy who supports killing in the name of communism? Approves of warcrimes if its against the right people? He who doesnt even try to hide his hate?
That Tom Morello?
Why would anyone over the age of 14 listen to his politics?
His music is painfully mediocre, and if you want evil bands, go listen to Mayhem. At least they sound good.
Man, left wingers are bizzare. Why on Earth are they siding with Hamas? I could understand no siding with anyone, condemning both sides, but Hamas massacred over a thousand people. And thats after they execute queer people and oppress women.