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Olgratin_Magmatoe , to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

but property ownership still comes with a level of long-term required investment that many people simply do not want and cannot afford.

That’s largely due to the lack of supply of housing. And that’s why I think the government should be absolutely spamming housing units. Even if we kept landlords, they’d have no leverage to keep rents sky high.

People like me need to rent, and thus we need to rent from somebody.

And I think that your choice for that somebody should be better than some rich fuck who owns half the city’s housing (mildly exaggerating).

you’ve got the existence of an intermediate owner that performs maintenance and searches for tenants, with the bonus and curse that that intermediate has no profit motive to actually perform that work.

The person who does that work doesn’t need to be the owner though.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited ) to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

There is value in someone figuring out all the finance mess so that when someone wants a place to live it exists.

That’s the job of a manager, which isn’t what a landlord generally does. And even on the rare times when a landlord actually does do some financial management, it takes up a minority of the time.

I don’t want to spent 200 days of my life building a house, I just want a place to live.

I would like to do so at some point, and I don’t blame you for not wanting to do so. But housing needs to be affordable and it isn’t.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited ) to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

Georgism is not a form of capitalism. Georgism is a strategy for government revenue. Regardless of what type of economy you have, unless you have pure anarchy there needs to be a source of income for the government. Georgism is the least bad option, they’re all bad.

I usually fall somewhere in the range of what people call socialism. I’m certainly not a capitalist.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

By who…? Come on, be honest

It was implied, but I later edited my comment, the government should do so. We have a massive housing crisis on our hands and there needs to be a solution. The government is so bloated that there is easily already the money somewhere to divert to something actually worthwhile.

That allow who to build more housing?

Private developers, individual citizens, the government itself, etc. Anybody and everybody with a willingness to build a house should be able to do so without dealing with the ridiculous zoning laws we have now.

Is literally what the West has right now.

We have these now.

We have market-rate housing and co-ops at such a low rate. We need a massive increase in quantity. The private sector won’t do this because there is no profit motive, so it largely has to be the government who is building these. But once their built it shouldn’t be the government who owns it, it should be the co-ops, market-rate housing orgs, or literally individual citizens who own the housing,

Most states have property taxes now that include the land that a rental sits on.

I don’t want property taxes. Those need to be removed along with all other types of taxation. The only valid type of taxation should be land value tax, and a carbon emission tax. A property tax punishes a land owner for developing their land and using it more efficiently. A land value tax on the other hand incentivizes more effective use. It’s a massive topic and a massive difference. If you want to learn more I would recommend looking into georgism.

In either event the entity that owns your house, that isn’t you, is your landlord.

I disagree with your definition.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited ) to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

Landlords pay up front (directly or via a loan, which the renters presumably cannot get) and assume the risk of vacancies and repairs.

And then they get bailed out by the government when their risk blows up.

wsj.com/…/landlords-were-never-meant-to-get-bailo…

consumerfinance.gov/…/four-reasons-landlords-shou…

And they have little to no risk in the first place because the market has such high demand that they can pretty much instantly fill vacancies, and they barely do repairs if at all. And at least where I live, renters are required to have/pay for renters insurance which further drives down the landlord’s risk.

If landlords ceased to exist, how do you propose new housing stock be created? Should the government be your landlord?

Government investment into housing development (which then turn into market rate housing/co-ops), zoning fixes, and a LVT is the solution. The builders get paid, home ownership becomes affordable, and renters aren’t being priced gouged. It would also do wonders to help fix the homelessness crisis.

And none of it needs the government to own your home.

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Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited ) to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

Landlords don’t pay for buildings to get built, the renters ultimately do. Landlords are just middlemen.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

A LVT/georgism system would instantly kill the profit margins of all landlords around the country, so they will do everything in their power to prevent it from happening. All the more reason to do it.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited ) to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

The renters, ultimately. Landlords are just middle men who need to be cut out of the equation through a land tax system and massive investments in housing development, zoning fixes, and market rate housing/co-ops.

The only “job” landlords have is owning, which isn’t a job and adds nothing. They are a burden and inefficiency of the economy, and a burden on people.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

Why stop at a vacancy tax?

We should go full georgism.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , to Personal Finance in Landlords should have to pay income tax on their rental properties regardless of whether they're rented out or not.

Georgism is the way

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