grahamsz

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grahamsz , to men in Do we actually want vulnerable men? | Aba & Preach

I don't think I'm articulating myself well, but that's not entirely what I'm trying to say. But I do think there's a difference between how women are vulnerable with each other and how most men are vulnerable. Can't quite put my finger on it, but the former version seems more nuanced and I think if men could be like that then it might be better

grahamsz , to men in Welcome to /m/men!

I don't, but most feminists do.

Most of the feminists I know are straight and either married or partnered - they clearly don't hate all men. Some maybe do, but I don't think it's the majority.

I don't know where this is true, but certainly not in Western countries, where such discrimination by gender is illegal.

I'm in the US and it's absolutely endemic. Women still make significantly less than men on average and gender discrimination is baked right into jobs. My city starts teachers at $56k and police officers at $70k - one of those jobs requires a GED and the other requires a Bachelors degree. Even with a Master's teachers can make as little as $61k - and that's entirely because it's traditionally a "women's job". Can you name any male dominated field where most workers have a master's degree and make that little?

Europe's maybe a little better, but there's still no country where women outearn men - if there really was equality there you'd expect to see that look more like a bell curve.

grahamsz , to men in Do we actually want vulnerable men? | Aba & Preach

Sure, but i think there's something fundamentally childish about that style of complaint. My kid leads with "x did y to me", and if i'm being honest I often do, but I think I'd get more receptiveness if i led with "I'm frustrated because i got stuck on a phone call with my boss that could have been avoided if I'd planned better".

Not sure i've really thought this through, but my sense is that'll be received a lot better.

grahamsz , to men in Welcome to /m/men!

I think you are conflating men as a group with men as individuals. I think Russia is terrible, but I've met many lovely Russian people.

While I can't speak for feminists, I think when they say "men are the problem" that's shorthand for a system that generally pays men more, expects them to take on less domestic responsibilities, allows them to vote away women's rights, and all of the other longstanding injustices.

grahamsz , to men in Do we actually want vulnerable men? | Aba & Preach

This is purely anecdotal and comes from some self-reflection, but my partner and i have very different ways of expressing vulnerability.

If I turn to her and say "fuck, what a day! My computer's a piece of shit, everyone i work with is just out to make life hard for me and I didn't get to my workout because i got stuck on a phone call with clients", I may feel like i'm displaying some vulnerability but she thinks i'm just being a whiny bitch.

I don't anyone finds that style of weakness attractive, but I'm finding it very hard to break out from providing a list of complaints and instead processing how they make me feel.

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