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Strit ,
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This is exactly why they are doing it. To get people to report bugs for issues they are having that is not standard use. :)

Thumbs up for the links to the bug reports too. That way the developers can easily look into it.

raghukamath OP ,

Yeah I know but they are also not providing any fallback for people hit by those bugs. Testing can be done without harming user workflows. And fedora punishing and forcing users will not get those bugs magically fixed. I am not sure some of these will be fixed now before fedora 40. Anyway Fedora can do whatever they want. My wish is to get these bugs more attention.

Strit ,
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Only Fedora is not making it possible to go back. Every other distribution will still provide an X11 session with Plasma 6.

raghukamath OP ,

Yeah you are right and people who were using fedora will need to move distribution suddenly. Actually Fedora is a bad choice for production for this reason, we never know when fedora will ditch you and when we complain about this fedora fanboys will only say why did you choose fedora or they will say just change distribution. So taking that advice I already switched from fedora and I no longer recommend it for any artists use. After all there are bazzillion of distros to choose from.

Again as I said the post is not about fedora itself, it is about the false premise that unnecessary urgency fixes bugs, in this case it is did not do anything and this post is to get the people to notice these bugs to get them fixed

Strit ,
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I disagree that Fedora doing this did nothing for the development. It generates bug reports, which in turn generates fixes. Sure, the fixes might not make it into Fedora 40 or even 41, but it helps the Plasma developers see what issues there still are out there as bug reports pop up.

The plasma devs likely don’t have a graphics tablet to test on, so they rely on the community to find these issues and test the fixes.

raghukamath OP ,

I am not against fedora pushing things and fedora helping in testing things it is its job as a test bed. Fedora does not give any fallback to people affected that is the issue. Again I do not use fedora now so that is not my issue what they do.

The plasma devs likely don’t have a graphics tablet to test on, so they rely on the community to find these issues and test the fixes.

Some of these things were communicated in 2019 (phabricator.kde.org/T11660) and again during artist and plasma developer meeting too. You can read about it here (phabricator.kde.org/T14971) So fedora is not the only medium by which bugs and requirement are conveyed to developers.

Pantherina ,

Yeah Plasma Devs use Graphics tablets. Niccolo for example exclusively instead of a mouse.

Pantherina ,

The question is if they ported the old X11 KCM over to Plasma6! Can someone check that? I am on Kinoite rawhide so no X11 I think

raghukamath OP ,

No they have not ported old KCM but created a new one from scratch. Hence any shortcoming or lack of feature is considered as wishlist and extra thing to implement.

Pantherina ,

I would call that a regression and not a wishlist? You can for sure ask to tag those issues correctly.

So Plasma6 X.org has less graphic tablet settings, right?

raghukamath OP ,

So Plasma6 X.org has less graphic tablet settings, right?

Plasma 6 xorg might have the X11 KCm which is the most featureful configuration frontend for graphic tablet on linux. It is on par with windows and wacoms utility. KCM on wayland is not so much.

I would call that a regression and not a wishlist? You can for sure ask to tag those issues correctly.

I had changed the severity once but it was reverted back and then other discussion about this was not entertained you can check the bug reports see the comments marked as spam.

KISSmyOS ,

they are also not providing any fallback for people hit by those bugs.

The fallback is announcing this in the release notes, so users depending on removed features can wait with the upgrade until the issues are fixed or move to another distro.
Backwards compatibility is nice and all, but at some point you’ll have to break things or you’ll end up like Windows, where the current version still includes user-visible GUI elements released 33 years ago.

raghukamath OP ,

The fallback is announcing this in the release notes, so users depending on removed features can wait with the upgrade until the issues are fixed or move to another distro.

Yeah I understand hence I won’t be advising or suggesting any artist to use fedora :)

Pantherina ,

I mean 5.27 will be stable for 2 years or so

raghukamath OP ,

Yeah and i think x11 itself will be available until 2032 on redhat atleast , that is not the issue. Artist can use old distros too but it would be nice to see these things get attention after all linux is for everyone and not just for developers right.

franzcoz ,
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But this is not mant for users, is for testers, so things like that are kind of expected

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