Especially under load, KDE is a freezing mess. Copying back a backup (under 100GB) and I literally cannot move my cursor.
Meanwhile crashing programs make the shell unresponsive too. Like, there is no seperation?
The performance issues literally are so bad I considered moving back to Windows. Or GNOME with some Zorin/Oeron shell modifications. Probably GNOME, but many apps are unusable and they have no fractional scaling??
I am looking so much forward to cosmic, even though I dont see at all how it should be a complete desktop soon. But Wayland only, written in Rust, from scratch exactly for the modern use case… its awesome!
Like, KDE will never be memory safe, they are bound to Qt.
Yeah, Plasma isn’t great under heavy IO and as far as I can tell that’s not really getting fixed in Plasma 6. It’s one of the biggest problems I have with it right now. On faster storage it’s not really a problem, especially on SSDs, but on slower storage it can definitely be. I would recommend trying a different desktop.
GNOME is generally heavier than Plasma, but might indeed perform better in the scenario. You don’t have to use GNOME with GNOME applications if you don’t like them. You can easily use GNOME Shell and Plasma applications. There other desktops worth a try outside of GNOME and Plasma, tho. LXQt should be very fast. Enlightenment even more so.
Also, I don’t think memory safety is among KDE’s biggest concerns. Qt afaik handles a lot of the memory management and it is a professional toolkit which has received a lot of testing. It shouldn’t be too problematic. Writing memory safe code is also much easier in C++ than it is in C. Yeah, Rust is better, but it doesn’t seem to me like this is something that’s causing that many problems in KDE.
Well, it’s a big upgrade underneath. They’re moving from qt5 to qt6. Tons of fundamental wayland fixes with the new toolkit/framework. You might be right that it’s not that dazzling of a visual overhaul, but it’s a mature product. We need more polish than overhaul
The migration to Qt6 and the work being carried out on Wayland, which is all going into Plasma 6.0, is going to allow massive changes that will be introduced over the 6.x series. There are some pretty cool features in 6.0, but the bigger changes will come over the next few point versions.
It is unlikely you will see any of these updates in Plasma 6.0, as they are more proof of concepts than finished, tried and tested features. But you will see them introduced over the next versions in the 6-x series.
Are you a KDE user? I switched from Gnome 3 when Plasma 5 was new, the very moment it seemed close enough to finished to expect reasonable stability. It was a huge departure from KDE4, and after trying literally every other DE to find happiness away from Gnome (that's all I'm going to say about that) over the course of several years, it was such a welcome relief.
Plasma 5 was not only a life preserver for folks bailing from Gnome, it also showed they'd learned from their own mistakes with KDE4, which many users felt was just as much a trainwreck as Gnome 3.
There's a lot going on under the hood with the change to QT6 as noted, and that alone merits a version number change, IMO. I haven't tracked a whole lot of specific features, but I know there are a lot of wayland refinements and HDR support coming, and I'm doubtful that the many pointieststick blogposts have been doing nothing but writing about bugfixes and menu changes, even if I haven't read every single one of them.
The general default look and feel maybe isn't being radically changed, but this is Linux, and more importantly KDE; we're all about theming and customization anyway, right?
Most importantly they aren't throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They did it (intentionally or not) with 4, and then (in my perception) they were forced to do it with Plasma 5 because of KDE4.
After living through the transition from Gnome 2 to 3, and KDE 3.5 to 4, then feeling the relief when Plasma 5 just absolutely crushed it, I'm very happy to see them upgrading the undercarriage and making things generally better instead of building it all from the ground up again.
@be_excellent_to_each_other@leopold@Fizz I’m actually 100% happy with just bugfixes. KDE is my choice, but, I mean, its still a fairly buggy desktop. It’s great, all it needs is the masses of bugs fixed, anything that does that is good. That’s all it needs.
Yeah I understand it’s a lot under the hood, but people seem to anticipate it like it’s the best and most exciting thing since the second coming of sliced bread. I kinda don’t get it. But it’s good that it’s coming along. I probably won’t even notice a difference.
because those two things are pretty much what Plasma needs the most at this point. the two most common complaints about Plasma are that it’s buggy and that it’s ugly.
