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CylustheVirus ,

Are you ok? Because I wouldn’t be mainlining that much doom.

alyaza OP Mod ,
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the vibes have actually never been better, and i have a general contempt for doomers like the residents of /r/collapse and other weird subreddits like that

Quexotic ,

Better stay away from okdoomer.io.

Do you have any tips for resisting the Doom Spiral™?

alyaza OP Mod ,
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i am familiar with okdoomer and i think it’s indicative of the sort of goofy goober shit most doomers have to work themselves up about to even get in the mindset in the first place, which is hyperfixate on anything which validates their priors and ignore the overwhelming body of evidence which contradicts or actively rejects their priors. even people on /r/collapse sometimes complain about how most of what the subreddit does is post poorly sourced suicide-bait and i think okdoomer is the tenuous but logical conclusion of that

in my mind, the resistance is just a common sense thing. active nihilism is dumb and brain poison. you will simply never do anything useful if your starting position is “this doesn’t matter and i don’t think there’s anything anyone can do to make it matter”–in any case this is a completely falsifiable and illogical position. a whole lot of shit does matter even on the margins. 2.9C of climate change is not an academic distinction versus 3C of climate change.

from a practical and crude standpoint, the conclusion of the position is you might as well kill yourself because it’ll never get better–but conspicuously, the vast majority of self-IDed doomers don’t do this and instead continue to do what amounts to malingering in a world they believe is going to eventually be characterized by resource wars, mass famine, and a climate that wants to kill them. that makes no real sense unless you think these are exaggerations, which i think many of them do actually recognize deep down.

from a personal standpoint, engaging in doomerism will just ruin all your relationships–nobody likes to hang around a complete downer.

Quexotic ,

Yeah, I don’t actively engage in that and try to avoid it, but pathologically I tend to get lost in doubt and dread. This occasionally spirals me in the direction of doom, with or without doing Google searches on climate change.

Admittedly it’s a much less of an issue since I stopped using Reddit so that’s probably got something to do with it. Beehaw has been a godsend.

alyaza OP Mod ,
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imo the most productive way to deal with the inherent anxiety is just to do something or be engaged in something, however small–being in an organization you can devote even a few hours to a month is usually a godsend in this regard, whether that’s DSA or Sunrise or Food Not Bombs, or a non-American equivalent to these groups. it’s so, so much harder to default to assuming nothing will get better if you surround yourself with people and groups fighting to make things better

Quexotic ,

❤️ Thank you! I’ll renew my efforts there. I’d gotten involved and then uninvolved. That probably has a lot to do with it.

I appreciate you.

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