Unpacking "Positive Masculinity" ( www.youtube.com )

WraithGear , 4 months ago

Ok, what i get from her is there should be first the person. All other descriptors, with a focus here on one’s gender, should not be a factor in how one should be evaluated nor evaluate others. That positive masculinity will not work because it still presents hurdles and still tries to define a mans place in society.

However she really shot her own argument early in the video. Casting Rocky as the example of unattainable and toxic masculinity was the wrong interpretation of the first movie, and not laying her argument against positive masculinity early enough lost a lot of viewers before she could really make her point. Also the unnecessary dig at the men at the mens retreat was unnecessary and punches down. Don’t believe me? Read the comments. A lot jumped ship and do not tackle the message she tried to convey.

As for the argument, it seems that she argues that one should worry more about being the best person and not worry about fulfilling a gendered quota, though kinda harms that view in the video too.

JoYo , 4 months ago

i forget what part i stopped watching but it all just seemed like lazy regurgitation.

WraithGear , 4 months ago

It took a long time to get to the thesis. Its true, there was not much added to the over all conversation, which made it hard to form a response. And it feels like she is demonstrating there is a problem and attacking a possible solution, without having one thats better. Sure if all of society was different we could solve the issue, but the question is how. Men and women are treated differently and those who do not conform differently still. Positive role models that epitomize traditional male goals and standards are not bad as long as it comes with understanding for those who do not walk the same path.

JoYo , 4 months ago

My progress was saved from when I last tried watching the video last year. I stopped at the men’s retreat; you’re right it was punching down.

Their focus on media figures is all wrong, men aren’t looking for the liberal version Andrew Tate. Men are looking for companionship to combat loneliness and are willing tolerate bullshit like Tate to find it.

That men’s retreat looks exactly like that.

spaduf OP Mod , 4 months ago

That men’s retreat looks exactly like that.

I think the issue is when that companionship is centered around explicitly engaging in masculine aesthetics. Particularly as most mens ability to find companionship is already very much centered around their ability or willingness to perform that masculine role.

JoYo , 4 months ago

I agree, but companionship isn’t happening around anything.

It isn’t just men either, all trust in relationships between people or institutions has declined and shows no recovery.