Young voters explain why they’re bailing on Biden, and whether they’d come back ( www.nbcnews.com )

Tremble , 6 months ago

Oh joy…. Here come the Biden cock suckers getting upset that younger generation won’t just shut up and vote blue no matter who….

Lol. Give us policy. We will no longer keep voting for the lesser of two evils.

I don’t care if you think not voting for Biden is voting for facism. Voting for Biden is a vote for right of center neoliberal politicians who takes legal bribes from corporations.

A vote for Biden tucking literally means, “Nothing with fundamentally change.” He said it himself.

mo_ztt , 6 months ago

Lol. Give us policy.

Of all the Democratic politicians you could raise this complaint about pretty legitimately, Biden’s not one. This is a pretty good overview of the substantive things he’s done. Obama did a better job of branding his accomplishments, but Biden hasn’t been just fucking off doing nothing.

I don’t care if you think not voting for Biden is voting for facism.

I don’t care if you don’t care. Not voting for Biden is making it more likely that Trump wins, which is, quite literally, fascism. That remains true even if you don’t like it.

Voting for Biden is a vote for right of center neoliberal politicians who takes legal bribes from corporations.

Accurate yes. It’s a goddamned shame, I 100% agree. Letting democracy collapse in the US completely won’t help though. Right? On that we can agree? Maybe not.

Jaysyn , 6 months ago

I'm old enough to remember when "young people" weren't going to vote for Obama's second term because of "drone strikes".

Voting is a chess move, not a love letter.

mo_ztt , 6 months ago

Voting is a chess move, not a love letter.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

I feel like people from countries where they just recently got free elections can explain this better. I see all this conversation (entitlement? propaganda? cluelessness? The OP article is definitely in the “propaganda” category) from people who are talking about how not liking something Biden did, translates into deciding not to vote for Biden. To someone coming from some situation where voting is connected to your survival and safety, as opposed to the modern-day US where it’s more like a fashion statement, that seems like just pure careless idiocy.

And, as far as the 2024 election, it is connected to your survival. Usually in the US it’s not. This time it is.

Jaysyn , 6 months ago

There is a reason that pollsters ask you how you "feel" about a candidate & not who you're voting for. Can't spin the latter.

stolid_agnostic , 6 months ago

Bernie or Bust comes to mind too…

Diotima , 6 months ago

Along the same lines, fielding Biden knowing that he is polling quite low against Trump is making it more likely that Trump wins. There are 49 million registered Democrats. There are almost certainly qualified, principled, charismatic people in that group that would both energize the core and appeal to progressives, independents, and swing voters.

If the Democrats' stubborn pride allows a Trump victory, then we should lay the responsibility at the feet of those who were best positioned to provide a viable candidate who could win.

mo_ztt , 6 months ago

What’s your percentage definition of “quite low”?

I mean, I do kind of agree with you. Biden’s old and a sort of “acceptable centrist” candidate. I miss Bernie. I’m still voting for Biden, because Trump is the end of the goddamned world.

Diotima , 6 months ago

He's polling neck and neck with Trump, some polls have him trailing in key states. It's early, granted, but his support of Israel's approach to Palestine suggests that many progressives are at best uncomfortable with him.

Primaries are still coming up, no? Why not push for someone better? You still end up in the same place if you're unsuccessful.

mo_ztt , 6 months ago

He’s polling neck and neck with Trump

Yeah. Which is nuts when you think about it.

Who would you push for instead of Biden?

The Democrats have a pretty good process going of pushing out any non-pro-establishment candidates, which leaves the field pretty much full of wet towels. Biden is above the average by quite a bit among the wet towels, in my opinion. Who do you see who could replace him? I’m genuinely asking.

Tremble , 6 months ago

Because of electoral college dems need 55% to barely eek by with a win

Diotima , 6 months ago

I'm registered independent so I don't get a say. I can dig into the options, but last time I might have been onboard with Yang; he seemed sincere. Sanders, though he has issues, would have been a much better choice as well.

If the party elite are blocking meaningful representation within, that's a problem.

mo_ztt , 6 months ago

Yeah. Sanders was the most popular politician in America for years after the election. Don’t get me started about it lol. If the argument is “we need someone who’s a realistic candidate in the general election,” they had that on a silver platter, and they stabbed him in the back and threw him in the trash.

If the party elite are blocking meaningful representation within, that’s a problem.

It is, in fact, a massive problem. Let’s keep all the candidates down who people actually like, because the stuff everyone likes tends to be not the favorite thing of all our rich friends. Oh no! Why are we unpopular. Don’t people know we’re better than the Republicans?

Fuckin assholes. I mean, they are better than the Republicans, but ass cancer is better than the Republicans.

Diotima , 6 months ago

And that's the problem I have. If the DNC is willing to suppress their own members, why should I encourage that behavior by doing as I"m told because they're too blind or too arrogant to listen? Trump is the worst. But he's a product of a broken system that democrats are all too happy to perpetuate.

If Trump wins, I blame his fascist followers. But I would be lying if I said that I didn't also blame the DNC for colluding with the GOP in the first place.

mo_ztt , 6 months ago

Yeah. If someone told me that they were working in politics to try to get a non-shitty bunch of people in charge (in or out of the Democratic party) I’d applaud the hell out of it. I was registered as Libertarian or Green Party for basically all my young adult life. If someone’s not doing that, though, and also not voting for the Democrats, then I would blame that person too if Trump wins (in addition to the fascists and the DNC).

Tremble , 6 months ago

I hear you on the branding point. He has done a terrible job letting people know about the minuscule things he actually has accomplished.

But he has no backbone

mo_ztt , 6 months ago

What, to you, would be not “miniscule”? I linked a source listing concrete things he’s done in more detail than I really want to retype out here.

Jaysyn , 6 months ago (edited 6 months ago)

I see the fake-ass "Bernie Bros" have already started up for this election cycle.

I don’t care if you think not voting for Biden is voting for fascism.

Tell me you don't understand math or game theory without telling me you don't understand math or game theory.

Give us policy.

Tell me you that you don't actually follow politics without telling me you don't actually follow politics.

Poggervania , 6 months ago

I don’t care if you think not voting for Biden is voting for facism. Voting for Biden is a vote for right of center neoliberal politicians who takes legal bribes from corporations.

This is the one that's getting me.

As as one of the younger millennials, I also don't really like Biden - in truth, the Democratic Party in the US is more akin to center-right than actual left, but it's waaaaaaay more left than what the other party, the GOP, is. However, the unfortunate and real truth of the US today is that your vote isn't for who you actually want - nowadays, you're voting against what you don't want. A large majority of people (myself included) didn't even want Biden in office, but we wanted Trump in office less than we wanted Biden. Same with Hillary in 2016 - my vote for Hillary wasn't for Hillary (full disclosure, I was a Bernie bro), but rather it was for against Trump. To not vote at all is, for all intents and purposes, helping vote in a person who wants to turn America into a corpofascist dictatorship.

Lol. Give us policy. We will no longer keep voting for the lesser of two evils.

There's a quote that comes to mind from The Witcher series: "Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all." This was said by Geralt when choosing between having to kill a person he knows and sort-of cares about to placate an angry mob, or helping the dickhead wizard out and killing the village, he chose... neither. And he ended up with the literal worst of both worlds by remaining neutral; the person he knew died, and he killed almost the entirety of the village before getting merc'd by a pitchfork and becoming the Butcher of Blaviken.

I bring this up because it's a perfect example of what not choosing can sometimes be: the greatest evil. Choose what more aligns with your morals and ideas, but recognize that if you do not speak up now for a step towards good because it's not perfect, then you are part of the evil.

banneryear1868 , 6 months ago

Yup and they will always shame the voters they need, the people who are correct, over the failures of the party. They can barely respond to the ridiculous issues the GOP are attracting voters with, they’ll say the issues aren’t relevant, while they lose over them and have nothing to say. Suggest they need to do better and you’re the problem. It’s 2016 all over again, Trump controlling their fears with his insane ramblings, any concerns from the left that the party should do better dismissed and shamed. It’s just so pathetic to see it happening like this again.

Tremble , 6 months ago

Preach it brother