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StarServal ,
@StarServal@kbin.social avatar

I had this whole long post typed up but decided it all boiled down to this:

Fuck you. Give us better candidates. Populism is winning because you keep giving us disgusting ultimatums. Do better.

Bernie_Sandals ,

You know the Democratic Party isn’t a monolith right? It’s voters decide mostly who is in charge. If people want a candidate other than Biden they can vote for them in the primary.

Since no viable candidates have shown up, Biden is the best option for now

StarServal ,
@StarServal@kbin.social avatar

If they need to threaten voters with ultimatums, then they’re not doing good enough.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

Cool, but we have FPTP elections, so the choice will always be the lesser evil of the two front runners. Of course a real alternative would be preferable, but until we have a fundamentally different voting paradigm, ultimatums are a mathematical certainty.

Wogi ,

They know that. They plan for it. They don’t want any actual liberals to run so the game is rigged against them from the start

Fuck them. They have absolutely no incentive to pass meaningful change and so the country will continue to swing further and further to the right, as bit by bit the conservatives sweep more of the government under their control.

The Democrats are contributing to the problem.

buddascrayon ,

It is true that the game is rigged. The DNC has a pretty good grip on its own primary process. That said, Bernie made pretty amazing headway into their ranks despite the rigging largely due to people actually engaging the process instead of sitting on their ass whining about how unfair the process it.

You don’t like how the system is being run, join any one of the many coalitions who’ve formed up to change it. Or start your own. And if you aren’t up do doing that much, then go the fuck to the poles and vote for who they choose because otherwise the GOP wins and takes over the god damned country in the name of racism, religious hegemony, and oligarchy.

Wogi ,

I’m a big fan of a different option

buddascrayon ,

Having a different opinion is fine, sitting there whining about how awful the Democratic party is well bemoaning the horrors that the Republican party is visiting upon our country and people while doing absolutely fucking nothing to help stop any of it is just pathetic.

Wogi ,

Option. Not opinion.

Throw all your weight behind the Democrats if you like, it will only delay an inevitable descent to the fascist religious hegemony the Republicans clearly want. The current state of the DNC is such that no meaningful legislation is possible, no leftward progress will happen.

The game is rigged against you. The ruling class like it that way. As long as you’re in the working class, if you’re playing by the rules they’ve set it for you, you’re playing to lose.

ReadFanon ,
@ReadFanon@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I’m sorry but the math on this doesn’t check out.

You’re saying that we must join coalitions whose intent is to change the system or we must vote for the Democratic nominee, otherwise we are supporting the GOP?

If not voting for the Democratic nominee is support for the GOP then how isn’t joining a coalition to undermine DNC power support for the GOP?

I don’t understand this logic.

AngryCommieKender ,

Oh they want liberals. Remember, liberals are just “moderates”, making them conservative-lite. The don’t want progressives. That’s why they buried Bernie

bonus_crab ,

it is a monolith though. Courts ruled after 2016 that the DNC can’t defraud voters or candidates because they aren’t required to have a fair primary. Their lawyers argued in court that they should be allowed to select a winner undemocratically, and won.

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Natanael ,

That’s because the party isn’t a government institution, and candidates can run as independent (which does lower their chances, but the law don’t care about that part)

prole , (edited )
@prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not sure why this comment is downvoted, you’re not wrong. It might not be ideal, but it’s the truth

bloodfart ,

its because lemmy (and reddit) votes are just a “does this make you feel good” button.

AngryCommieKender ,

Then show up. You’d be better than what we’ve got. Lord knows that since 4 of my neighbors told me independently of each other that I should run for city council, I’m looking into running for city council, and I would be the first to tell you that I am not qualified, which seems to be exactly why they think I am qualified.

Bernie_Sandals ,

Already volunteering in local county politics to push my little slice of the democrats to be more radical, about a third of them already support Bernie in the rural south so I’d like to think it’s going well.

Will most likely run soonish but that’s a tall task down here.

AngryCommieKender ,

Good luck!

MoistMogwai ,

Not to mention, thanks to the electoral college there are only 5 to 8 states that actually get to decide who is President. My current State has voted for a Republican every year since 1964. I would have had to have been born in 1943 to have a fraction of my vote count nationally. I still vote, but I live in a State where I might as well write in someone I believe in for President. If Biden wins, that’s better than Trump, but it’s still so bad. As my body is breaking down at a job that doesn’t pay for a house I can’t afford, asking us to wait 4 years for someone better is insulting.

AngryCommieKender ,

Agreed, but with one caveat. You are the better candidate. Stop waiting for someone else to take the job, they all have imposter syndrome too, so fucking go for it and keep the fascists out at the local levels, not just the federal.

I am putting my money where my mouth is and self funding my campaign for city council in 2026.

StarServal ,
@StarServal@kbin.social avatar

I am absolutely not the better candidate. I’m not leadership material at all, and I’m probably as bad as Trump at receiving criticism. The difference is that I recognize my flaws.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

You don’t want the job because of the incredible weight of responsibility? You have the ability to recognize your weaknesses? Shit man that’s better than I’ve seen in all my voting years. Im for StarServal in 2024

VolatileExhaustPipe ,

Who is your power base, who is your voting base and who does the organizing and networking for you?

AngryCommieKender ,

In my case it’s my neighbors. They’re the ones that thought I should run in the first place, and I already know more than half the district.

VolatileExhaustPipe ,

Definitely a start, but - depending on how many votes you need - politically a bit blurry. Wish you luck.

Do you know Jineology or Bookchin?

AngryCommieKender ,

Haven’t heard of those, but I’ll take a look.

nte ,

Why don’t you do better, democracy is not “them up there”, it needs everyone. You are as responsible as any one else. You know better, why aren’t you in the ballot?

gowan ,
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Populism is winning because we keep ignoring the working class and any state that is not on the coast or is IL.

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