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Millie ,

Out here desperately hoping that the fake leftists propping up Trump are mostly Russian trolls or just a pocket of internet children. I think actual real life people on the left in the US largely get how dangerous this could be.

Icalasari ,

Honestly, this whole thing feels eerily similar to the rise of Hitler - Even Trump facing legal troubles matches well enough

sab ,
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The good news is that building your personality cult around an obese man in his late 70s is not very sustainable in the long run.

Zorque ,

The bad news is they have stock of backups a mile long.

sab , (edited )
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For some weird reason he's not that really replaceable. Following the republican primaries now is a good indication of what the party will be after trump - they're all trying to rip a page from his book on populism, and as far as I can tell they're all failing.

American_Communist22 ,
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may allah push that removed down the stairs

American_Communist22 ,
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nah, he’s the person before the rise, the one who get the dominos to fall further

but honestly, the dominos have been falling since washington

Zaktor ,

Seriously. There were people getting kidnapped in protests because Trump sent in the border guard to “defend” a court house. That’s way beyond “the status quo protects order and property first and foremost”.

American_Communist22 ,
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no its really not, the US has been doing this shit since inception

bdonvr ,

fake leftists propping up Trump

Huh?

Millie ,

I’ve been having a number of conversations on Hexchan recently trying to make sense of their politics. The most common instance of their hateful hypocrisy I’ve encountered is this constant assurance that they support trans people while immediately attacking and dog piling and trans people who point out that the situation would be much worse under Trump.

I live in Massachusetts. We are a very blue state and we’re one of the best places in the world to transition. We have informed consent, legal protection of our basic rights, and mandatory insurance coverage of trans health care, which state insurance also covers. Whatever you think of the DNC, the Democrats in Massachusetts are absolutely allies of trans people who’ve worked to actively protect our rights.

Still, I’m well aware of the danger that federal law could potentially pose. I know there may be a time when I have to flee the country if things get bad enough, and that’s a lot more likely under Trump.

But they don’t actually care about my rights, happiness, or safety, or those of any other trans people. They don’t care what happens to us, they just want to use us as a bludgeon to dunk on people.

The hexchanners who aren’t actively Russian trolls seem to be little more than useful idiots for conservatives, minimizing the damage they do to vulnerable populations and engaging in high school level pettiness and hate.

krolden ,
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Can you please link to this hateful hypocrites I am genuinely curious.

Millie , (edited )

Nope. Blocked the community and all the users who replied. Go dig around in their trashcan of an instance if you like. Or just tell them you’re trans and want to make sure Trump doesn’t get into office so you don’t have to flee the country and watch them come out of the woodwork.

krolden , (edited )
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You just said you’re more leftist than everyone and didn’t respond to a single comment with an actual reply

I see no one being hateful or hypocritical

honeynut ,

link to the hexbear thread she participated in

jackoid ,

Where is the transphobia? It just looks like they hate both trump and Biden?

Millie ,

I do believe I said “immediately attacking and dogpiling trans women who point out that the situation would be much worse under Trump”, not using transphobic slurs or whatever.

Nice astroturfing, though. I see you out here.

jackoid ,

Okay I read your comment wrong. Sorry about that.

But referring to your thread on hexbear, it seems that they are intent on speaking bad about Biden rather than supporting trump. Which is fair since Biden and the Democratic Party have been involved in destruction of millions of lives.

The problem here seems to be American culture where you have to treat one side as the devil and one side as the god. Anyone slightly in between is accused of worshipping the devil.

You’re correct without doubt that under conservatives, bigoted policies may increase. But they are also increasing under the Democrats albeit slowly. They are barely doing anything as rights get taken away and it’s necessary to call them out for it. I can see trans rights getting demolished under any future administration because the political system in the US works against the interests of minorities.

VolatileExhaustPipe ,

Just want to mention a couple things. I work with a group that ensures that people who are trans or gay get asylum in Germany and also get reasonable safe transit. Of course I could do more, but we even brought a trans person from the US who effectively fled what you describe to the right resources so that they could get asylum here (and also into contact with the doctors so that HRT prescriptions don’t have gaps). I am involved in what is now majorly labeled queer politics since the early 90s when the FRG was a place often more restrictive than the GDR in terms of law.

I do regularly read and sometimes post on Hexbear, I read up your comments (which account for quite a bit of your posting history with this account there) and can understand some of the aspects you mention, but don’t get why you conflate the personal slights against you with an assigned bad position for them. The latter includes words like “hexchan”.

You do believe that there are some factions in some states of the USA in which the democratic party acts well and secures some of your rights, this is what you hope to strengthen when you defend the democratic party. Plenty users have not as much faith as you do (often people who do have quite a political history themselves, too) including a not small variety of trans users who answered you. Even some in the US and some of them disagree with your outlook. That is a difference of politics and a difference of mental models.

But they don’t actually care about my rights, happiness, or safety, or those of any other trans people.

Is disingenuous at best and more reasonable slander. I get that you want to be safe - and hexbear users want that, too, for others, for themselves and for you. However they have a wide range of life stories, users from places the US bombed are posting regularly. They were bombed under Obama too, with harsh police procedures and reduction of rights for LGTBQ folk. Some want a USA that isn’t as easy at the trigger of military “intervention”. Being able to experience multiple points of view is part of a global society and internationalism which is in my eyes the only way for us non cis-endo hetero people to survive long term. Shunning a community of up to 20k users cause you have political differences and slandering them is something you can do, but it will count for what liberal privileged trans users do.

Awoo ,
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I’ve been having a number of conversations on Hexchan recently trying to make sense of their politics.

No you have not. There is absolutely no pro-Trump sentiment among Hexbear users. You are full of shit.

hexbear.net/post/451217?scrollToComments=false

American_Communist22 ,
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You ignored all the previous times we grilled you for your ignorance, get a grip, you can read.

mycorrhiza , (edited )

propping up Trump

Millie, you yourself posted in the huge thread on hexbear where the entire site agreed that they hate trump.

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