MystikIncarnate ,

I have clients that use internal, but they do it as a subdomain; so internal.contoso.com

Any internal only domains that I set up are probably going to go the same way. I’ve used domain.local previously, and the DNS headache I get from that is immeasurable.

With so many things going “to the cloud” or whatever, the internal.domain.tld convention tends to make more sense to me.

What’s everyone else doing?

5714 ,

Abolish ICANN.

Supermariofan67 ,

Explain what’s wrong with this. I’m out of the loop, seems like a good idea to me at first glance.

5714 ,

It’s the SPOF for most of the internet, it’s function should be democratic and distributed.

Registering TLDs costs absurd amounts of money last I checked.

owen ,

SPOF = single point of failure

Shadywack ,
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Porn sites would like this.

possiblylinux127 ,
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Please no

It would be nice to figure out a way to get local SSL certs for .lan and .local domains though.

Supermariofan67 ,

What’s wrong with it?

possiblylinux127 ,
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Internal is 8 letters while lan is three

duplexsystem ,

You can do this, I already use .internal and you can male your own root ca and make your own certificates with that

MigratingtoLemmy ,

Time for your own CA

reddig33 ,

.local already exists. More idiocy from ICANN.

pupbiru ,

.local exists for a very specific reason and it’s not meant to be used by regular DNS… people use it for alternate things, but it’s reserved for mDNS

if .internal were to be added, we could start using that instead of overloading!

LordCrom ,

.local is a bad choice especially if you have any MAC hosts on the network.

There is an RFC about that, but I’m too sleepy to goook it up

theit8514 ,

If only they had done this with .local ages ago. Still, it’s a nice change, but I doubt my company will adopt.

breadsmasher ,
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Just out of curiosity, does your company use a different TLD or something more arbitrary/just an IP?

mozz ,
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We broke .local, pls give another chance, we promise we'll be responsible with .internal tho

MSgtRedFox ,
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For real. Once Google and others started killing DNS lookups in mobile devices, think about how many legacy networks had to get rebuilt.

Maybe we could all just make up our minds.

mozz ,
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Honestly the whole fabric of the internet, how email/SMTP and DNS and things work, is just a relic of an earlier time. I honestly think the money-men have their hands deep enough into the workings at this point that you wouldn't be able to create something like those things today and have them go anywhere. I'm surprised that it all still works as well as it does.

c0mbatbag3l ,
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You mean the OSI and TCP/IP models? Or just specifically TCP/UDP ports?

mozz ,
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No, I was talking about the shared infrastructure. SMTP, DNS, ICANN, things like that require a level of cooperation and shared investment in the whole thing working well, not really because anyone's going to "win" the business game by running it to their particular advantage. That's a very alien way of thinking on the modern internet. The equivalent today would be something like massive publicly available caching web proxies that anyone could use as a big reverse-CDN to speed up their web access that were just kind of provided to everyone, government-funded, just sitting out there as a public resource. You know, like communism.

I've heard network engineers say they had a lot of trouble talking to their bosses about "peering" (setting up routes between two ISPs that happen to have operations close to each other, so they can hand traffic off to each other if it'd be more efficient to use the other guy's routes and both networks get more efficient to operate). They said they had a lot of trouble explaining the concept to the business people. They pay us for service? Fine. We pay them for service? Fine. We provide service to each other and both of us benefit without any money being involved? Plt... bzzt... I give up, I don't get it. Who gets paid? Why do we do this?

They've lost sight of the idea that it's a good thing to set up the world in a nice well working way (for everyone, including yourself), and just focused on how they can make their check bigger even if there's no point, or even if everything gets worse as a result.

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