LaoisheFu ,

‘trying to make’ ‘have made’

Gsus4 ,
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With enough inequality and without a strong social net, wage labour is equivalent to slavery. They cover the minimum costs of your survival and you spend as much time working as they ask or else they’ll find someone more desperate.

trippingonthewire ,

Slaves used to wear chains. Now they’re all in debt. They’ve expanded slavery, that’s all.

MrBusinessMan ,

Really, we should be advancing beyond the 40 hour work week and into a 50, or even 60 hour work week.

HawlSera ,

Humans get powerful and don’t see the point in power unless they can abuse people

HiddenLayer5 ,
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Reminder that slavery was never outright abolished in the US, the constitution explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime which is why private for-profit prisons are a thing in the US.

ohlaph ,

We need to abolish that and make prisons truly rehabilitation facilities.

Jax ,

It’s a nice thought, but there are a lot of very bad people in prison. More often than not because of the system.

There is such a thing as too far gone.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This has always been the case. Look at immigrant exploitation, the truck system, sharecropping, child labor, exporting work to undeveloped countries to exploit unregulated labor forces there.

It was always about bringing back slavery without calling it slavery.

And it will always be so long as we let them keep trying.

Violence is not the answer until the hour that it is.

SouthEndSunset ,

Amazon workers with their forced over time go unheard.

onionbaggage ,

Ironically posted on Ex Twitter.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,

What’s this “trying to” bullshit? The for profit prison system and a legal system that punishes people for being poor would suggest they have already largely succeeded. Never mind that slavery is explicitly legal when it comes to prisoners.

Cagi ,

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  • gowan ,
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    Educated in history here (history should have no bias), while there are a greater number of slaves today they represent a smaller portion of the population than during the 1800s. In addition modern slavery is not the same as chattel slavery which is infinitely worse given that it denies the slave’s existence as a human being. Im not saying slavery is OK Im just saying your claims aren’t entirely accurate.

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    Automation means that proportionally fewer slaves can provide more. That “denies the slave’s existence as a human being” bit is rather vague. Are you saying modern slavery is not denying the slave’s existence as a human being? What does that mean?

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    Chattel slavery literally denied that slaves were human beings. They were seen as something less than the way many westerners view all animals.

    Brahm1nmam ,

    The way they’re viewed really isn’t the problem. Someone being imprisoned and forced to work really isn’t affected by the man with the whips opinions of them, because of they slave away they don’t get whipped. They’re existence has been stripped too bare for such distinction to make a difference. Slavery is like war and war never changes.

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    That simply isn’t true. When your slaver looks at you as less than human they can justify a lot of mistreatment they would not do to another person.

    There’s a reason why Western chattel slavery is so vilified because almost every other nation still thought of slaves as people. Chattel slavery thinks of them like livestock.

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    How is that different from current slaves? Attitude of the general population? Doesn’t seem to make much practical difference.

    gowan ,
    @gowan@reddthat.com avatar

    You know how you don’t think a monkey is the same thing as a human? It’s like that, slaves were seen as smarter than a monkey but not people.

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    Again, that makes little to no practical difference to the slave, they’re getting abused just the same.

    Jax ,

    Point to the time where prisoners in the U.S. were stacked up on boats and shipped across the Atlantic for months at a time.

    You don’t see prisoners treated like cargo here. Don’t get me wrong, they aren’t treated well, but there are certain factors here that I don’t think you’re considering.

    tst123 ,
    @tst123@lemmy.world avatar

    This comment somehow did not make me feel any better.

    SCB ,

    Responses from historians will rarely make you feel better, but will help you understand the complexities that people without that specialization often overlook.

    Knowledge is its own reward.

    Armand1 ,

    You guys don’t have a 40 hour work week?

    Is this an American thing or a certain industries thing?

    Wilshire ,
    @Wilshire@lemmy.world avatar

    There are some exemptions, mostly for salaried workers.

    www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/…/17a-overtime

    The FLSA requires that most employees in the United States be paid at least the federal minimum wage for all hours worked and overtime pay at not less than time and one-half the regular rate of pay for all hours worked over 40 hours in a workweek.

    However, Section 13(a)(1) of the FLSA provides an exemption from both minimum wage and overtime pay for employees employed as bona fide executive, administrative, professional and outside sales employees. Section 13(a)(1) and Section 13(a)(17) also exempt certain computer employees. To qualify for exemption, employees generally must meet certain tests regarding their job duties and be paid on a salary basis at not less than $684* per week.

    SCB ,

    Some industries (like mine) have mandatory overtime, but workers are absolutely compensated for that overtime.

    The UAW is one of the most powerful unions in the US, so I’m not sure exactly where this post is coming from (as in, what specifically they are chasing via union action in this post), but from the context of other news it sounds like they’re wanting similar comp without mandatory overtime in their industry.

    Sanctus ,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    Lets finally change it. Lets just get up and act, fuck it. I don’t want to play the game anymore.

    InputZero ,

    Then be prepared to get hurt. Sure small strikes are tolerable to a government. Strikes that actually disrupt the economy are never tolerated, and are almost always met with police violence. It’s literally their first job, to maintain public order. Imagine what would happen if Lockheed Martin employees striked?

    Sanctus ,
    @Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

    We are already hurt.

    MisterScruffy ,

    Individual action won’t accomplish anything it has to been collective and coordinated. Without strong unions I don’t know how that’s possible

    Yepthatsme ,

    Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.

    Nothing divine or important about that.

    So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.

    Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.

    Yepthatsme ,

    Too many elite shitbags think they’re rich because it’s ordained when in reality their grammy and pee paw just fucked first.

    Nothing divine or important about that.

    So the next time you see a rich person give them the finger and a bad look because their family is probably a bunch of tax dodging cock sucking thieves.

    Legacies are for insecure shit cunts.

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