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aniki , (edited )

I'll keep my ICE and ride a bike. I'll still do less environmental damage than you because I am human powered for all but the trips to the mountains, and then I don't have to worry about being stranded without a plug.

And I have yet to hear a convincing argument that taking my perfectly working vehicle off the road to buy another manufactured product is still more environmentally friendly than... not buying anything at all.

I don't give a fuck about initial torque. I'm going to be laughing in my wheetabix when there's not a single EV older than a decade on their original batteries.

Downvotes don't make me wrong, chuds.

FlyingSquid ,
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How do you know how much environmental damage I do?

Honytawk ,

You open up your profile, click the little gear icon and then go to graphs.

It should be right between the amount of murders you committed, and the amount of times you shit your pants in public.

Naz ,

Holy fuck, this can't be right - mine says I'm responsible for millions of deaths! In the future!

What do we do?!

FlyingSquid ,
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The time travelers are after you. Run!

Snowpix ,
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This is the Time Police. Stop right there, future criminal scum!

FlyingSquid ,
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But I didn't even invest in fossil fuels!

noxy ,
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Jeez, don't give the data brokers any more ideas!

aniki ,

Pretty easy to make a comparison to the average American. It's like BMI -- it's bigger than the individual and not a metric useful for individual comparison.

https://aaafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/202309_2022-AAAFTS-American-Driving-Survey-Brief_v3.pdf

Drivers reported making an average of 2.44 driving trips, spending 60.2 minutes behind the wheel, and driving 30.1 miles each day in 2022. Projecting these results to all drivers nationwide, 255 million drivers made a total of 227 billion driving trips, spent 93 billion hours driving, and drove 2.8 trillion miles in 2022, all of which represented small but not statistically significant decreases relative to 2021.

I average 0 miles a day driving.

FlyingSquid ,
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Please tell me how you know that the people you are talking to on Lemmy are all average Americans. Or even Americans.

aniki ,

Irrelevant.

FlyingSquid ,
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It's totally relevant. You said "I’ll still do less environmental damage than you" and your reasoning for that is based on what the average American does.

So unless you believe that you're only talking to average Americans, you are using a meaning of the word "you" that literally no one else in the world uses.

aniki ,

How do you know how much environmental damage...

I do?

FlyingSquid ,
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Again, your words:

I’ll still do less environmental damage than you

So you sure claim you do. And the evidence you gave was, again, you were talking about the average American. So, again, how do you know that everyone here- that anyone here- is what you describe as an average American?

Zink ,

And I have yet to hear a convincing argument that taking my perfectly working vehicle off the road to buy another manufactured product is still more environmentally friendly than... not buying anything at all.

That’s because nobody is making that argument. The only statement I’ve ever heard from environmentalists/scientists is that the most beneficial thing to do is keep your old ICE car and maintain it well.

FlyingSquid ,
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I certainly know of some "get rid of your car and bike everywhere" environmentalists, but most of them realize that isn't actually an option in, for example, rural Montana in February.

Zink ,

Yeah, at least they’re sticking to their ideals and their suggestion would help the environment. But as you pointed out, it just won’t/can’t happen in much of the US.

In fact, I just recently went on a road trip from Pennsylvania to Tennessee that took me through parts of West Virginia, Ohio, and Kentucky. I can’t think of any places I saw where public transportation would be feasible. Maybe long-distance trains to augment air travel as an option, but nothing last-mile.

I saw more signs about reasons god might send me to hell, or how Trump is awesome, than any form of public transit. Even buses. Because I saw zero of any of it.

EntirelyUnlovable ,
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Not sure if this was a thing anywhere else but in some UK cities like London there were "scrappage schemes" that incentivised scrapping your car to replace it with something more efficient, which I always thought was missing the point

Zink ,

We had that in the US too, commonly called “cash for clunkers.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Allowance_Rebate_System

But I think it was really more about the economic stimulus than the environmental impact. But I’m sure the environmental side helped justify it.

Facebones ,

Approximately nobody is saying you should sell your 2020 compensator for scrap, in fact the general consensus is that the best thing you can do is keep your current ride in good repair as long as you can.

You don't have to invent boogeyman just because you have a weird parasocial relationship with big oil.

noxy ,
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I'm going to be laughing in my wheetabix when there's not a single EV older than a decade on their original batteries.

You lost this one the instant you posted the comment.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last-study-says-longer-than-you-think

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2022/08/01/electric-car-batteries-lasting-longer-than-predicted-delays-recycling-programs/

aniki ,

This excludes major battery recalls, such as the Chevy Bolt and Hyundai Kona.

noxy ,
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Yes. And?

aniki ,

Boy... if all those 2010 Leafs are still on the road, why can't I find any used for sale??

noxy ,
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Because the first model year for the Nissan Leaf was 2011, not 2010.

Most cars are physically manufactured a year or so before the model year. If you want to search for Leafs (Leaves?) manufactured in 2010, look for model year 2011.

LengAwaits ,
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Downvotes don’t make me wrong, chuds.

Oh look, a child is on Lemmy!

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