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Cowbee ,
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Believe it or not, you can criticize the sitting dem president and not think Trump is better. If a president has claimed to be pro-union, but appears to union leaders to not be doing enough, that’s a valid critique.

Cowbee ,
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Biden is swaying voters against himself, by himself. Calling him out on his bullshit and having him change is what energizes the base. Don’t want Trump? Force Biden’s hand.

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That’s not really a class, it’s not a social relation to the Means of Production, that’s more of a group of people. A class is more specific, like a Worker, or an owner.

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It’d be even nicer if there were no owners at all. No exploitation that way.

Cowbee ,
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I don’t even think you need leaders at all, either. Decisions can be made by a collective, without necessitating a representative.

But, either way, how do you incentive “good” Capitalists? To become a Capitalist is to become an exploiter.

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Middle class isn’t a thing, it’s a made-up bourgeois tool to give the working class an idea of what’s “enough” with no respect to actual labor output, nor is it a Social relation to the Means of Production.

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It’s really not fuzzy. The stock market existed during Marx’s time. If you own enough to live off of without labor, you’re Bourgeoisie. If you own a small business but also must labor to run it, you’re petite bourgeoisie. If you do not own enough to live off of and do not make your primary income via ownership, you’re Proletariat.

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Choosing to take an active managerial role, and needing to, is what separates bourgeoisie from petite bourgeoisie. Musk is firmly, firmly bourgeoisie. The most bourgeois bourgeoisie, one could say.

Leanfire is bourgeoisie. Being able to live off of your investments and choosing to makes one bourgeoisie.

You’re trying to tie net worth to class interests, which defeats the purpose of class analysis in the first place. What connects class is not material conditions, but shared interests.

Cowbee ,
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Leanfire requires setting up and actively living in a manner that has you living off the labor of others by virtue of your own ownership.

Being able to retire, yet getting your money via labor does not make one bourgeois.

Again, think in shared class interests. What does the coal miner do to get their money? At most, they would be petite bourgeoisie.

Have you read Marx? I do think Marxism can help you out a bit. Classes are described as aggregates, it isn’t fuzzy but it also isn’t binary, and most of all relying on net worth defeats the purpose of class analysis as they share no class interests.

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Those existed during Marx’s time.

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Yes, they did.

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Even the most benign company, while Capitalist in structure, needs Unionization, across all fields of work. Unions are for protection and advocacy for positive change, and prevent backsliding.

Cowbee ,
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Stock market grew 12%ish last year. Additionally, the health of the stock market isn’t a meaningful measure of how well the average citizen is doing, it’s mostly for the wealthy and elderly.

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Top 5 doesn’t really matter, a dragon is a dragon.

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