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OpenStars , to Star Trek in according to my advent calender the 2nd december is a good day to die
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They never say that bc every day is a good day to die.

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Still yet another article listing Reddit alternatives, but surprisingly this one mentions both Lemmy & Kbin
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Reddit = rotten nuclear bomb it is then!:-P

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Yet another article about Reddit vs. Lemmy vs. others: "Discussing Three Reddit Alternatives After Reddit's API Decisions"
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I suspect you are very correct:-P.

Articles that mention kbin though are extremely few and far between. I think I've only seen it twice actually - I just posted one of them separately, and there the author does mention it while explaining basically that Lemmy is better.

Kbin is like this best non-Lemmy fediverse instance that you've never heard of, for the average person:-).

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Still yet another article listing Reddit alternatives, but surprisingly this one mentions both Lemmy & Kbin
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Somebody who works at a company that produces articles like that mentioned how the sponsor of the list always goes at the top - hence why the next option works so hard to say that kbin is not as good as the original Lemmy - while everything else is placed there to make the original one look good.

Like, who wouldn't look fantastic when compared to 4chan!? :-P

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Still yet another article listing Reddit alternatives, but surprisingly this one mentions both Lemmy & Kbin
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Which one is which again? /s :-P

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Still yet another article listing Reddit alternatives, but surprisingly this one mentions both Lemmy & Kbin
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Plus isn't there a link to donate to the original developers on all Lemmy instances? The "Support Lemmy" one I mean, unless an admin has modified the source code to remove that I suppose, and continue to do so each time they receive an update. That seems to bother many people as well, even being on a different instance that the original creators do not administer personally.

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Still yet another article listing Reddit alternatives, but surprisingly this one mentions both Lemmy & Kbin
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This article is posted from me with a kbin account, on a kbin magazine:-). The true beauty of the fediverse is that you need not care - like if I had a gmail account and you had a yahoo one, you could still receive the message despite being on entirely different servers.

Various Lemmy instances are part of the fediverse, and run the Lemmy code (various scripting languages - Rust, Actic, Diesel, Infero & Typescript). Each admin can do whatever, like modify the sourcecode, mess with their personal databases, etc., which can lead to different Lemmy instances using different versions of the sourcecode, which happened a few weeks ago and led to problems connecting when a new version became incompatible with the old.

Kbin is not a Lemmy instance though - it is a completely different implementation built from the ground up, in PHP & PostgreSQL - but it still uses ActivityPub so it can share with Lemmy the same as any Lemmy instance could. Meta (Facebook) will similarly implement ActivityPub in some manner and so also be able to communicate across the Fediverse. (Also as people are saying, Kbin also has implementation to share with Mastodon too while the Lemmy code does not.)

Unless an individual Lemmy - or a Kbin - instance wants that to not happen, i.e. to defederate, which is a whole other matter.

So:

  • instance = a particular machine (lemmy.ml or lemmy.world or beehaw or whatever);
  • Lemmy = code, or Kbin = different code, running on that instance, affecting what/how/etc.;
  • fediverse = everything that shares messages, like if one day a decade from now Reddit (may the spez have been fucked over MANY times before that day:-P) was forced to adopt ActivityPub and become a member in order to stay relevant, then it would become a part of it as well;
  • defederate = a specific blocking of messages from one instance to another (not necessary 2-way)

So if you thought of yourself as a Lemming/Lemmon/whatever before reading this comment, it is probably better to start thinking of yourself in terms of being a fedizen now - a member of the wider fediverse. You always were, you just did not know that yet:-).

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Still yet another article listing Reddit alternatives, but surprisingly this one mentions both Lemmy & Kbin
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Tbf I think I forgot the former myself. It is a rather nice feature in theory but I think one that I do not make much use of, personally.

I do not think I ever want to find out about the latter though, I mean first-hand:-P.

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Still yet another article listing Reddit alternatives, but surprisingly this one mentions both Lemmy & Kbin
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Tbf, it is a bit difficult for the average person to wrap their head around.

For instance, did you know that water can come in multiple forms!? Woah... :-P

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Yet another article about Reddit vs. Lemmy vs. others: "Discussing Three Reddit Alternatives After Reddit's API Decisions"
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Big brain move time. Is there a way to get only high-quality content providers while keeping out low-effort stuff? Ofc that would knock me out too - who would ever want to be a member of a club that would actually accept us? :-P

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Yet another article about Reddit vs. Lemmy vs. others: "Discussing Three Reddit Alternatives After Reddit's API Decisions"
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I iz spethial (apparently:-)

Edit: oh, I wonder if there actually might a thing about the person who originally submitted a thread, vs. others who did not? That bug might treat the OP differently.

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Yet another article about Reddit vs. Lemmy vs. others: "Discussing Three Reddit Alternatives After Reddit's API Decisions"
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You could write to the author and ask them to edit the work:-).

Squabbles has an interesting list of media related to it fwiw - like this article mentions: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Threads, Reddit, Mastodon, Bluesky, Lemmy, and Squabbles, and the honorable mentions section says how it focused on text-based social networks (nothing about an API) but adds TikTok, LinkedIn, BeReal, and even Pinterest... but still no Kbin (or Tildes, or Discuit, etc.). Nor is it really wrapped up into Lemmy / the Fediverse.

Lemmy describes itself as “a link aggregator for the fediverse,” which to the average person may as well be gibberish. Essentially it’s a community discussion board in the vein of Reddit, based on a free and open platform like Mastodon and Bluesky. You register to a server – or host your own – but can interact with other servers with no issue.

Other articles add mention of like Discord, and even Y Combinator's Hacker News for article aggregation purposes.

Kbin just simply is not considered a major player, it seems. It is not blazing any new trails, nor has celebrity endorsement like Bluesky. At best it seems considered to be "just another instance of Lemmy", and at worst forgotten entirely, whereas at least Beehaw seems to stick in people's minds for some reason.

That said, I have seen one article that mentions Kbin: https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-reddit-alternatives/, which also mentions Beehaw and Tildes and Squabbles, and yet neglects to mention Meta even though the article says that it was posted earlier this month (it also did not mention some other smaller ones such as Discuit). So that is something, at least - as in even if all articles seem biased in various ways, that one at least acknowledges Kbin:-).

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Yet another article about Reddit vs. Lemmy vs. others: "Discussing Three Reddit Alternatives After Reddit's API Decisions"
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Correct - it is fine to mention both, but to leave out Kbin that is TRULY a third alternative, and yet mention Beehaw while giving it full "third alternative status" (not merely as another flavor of the fediverse), and while also simultaneously dismissing Tildes, Discuit, etc. (I mean... Squabbles.io has "only" ~30k subscribers?), makes this shoddy journalism.

Though there are so few articles that even seem aware that the fediverse exists, outside of Meta, that I thought it worth mentioning even so. Like, is it a good thing to realize that when people think of Lemmy, Kbin is entirely ignored? The More You Know and all that.

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Yet another article about Reddit vs. Lemmy vs. others: "Discussing Three Reddit Alternatives After Reddit's API Decisions"
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I would not go that far as to say that with 100% certainty. The tagline says:

Information Security Analyst at Bank of America who enjoys writing, programming, and running in my spare time.

So they legit could have meant risky as in piracy or security considerations, like maybe Torrenting? On the other hand, is Beehaw not welcoming to those, like somehow being friendly means not being able to discuss more technical security issues?

So I suspect you are correct:-).

OpenStars OP , to RedditMigration in Yet another article about Reddit vs. Lemmy vs. others: "Discussing Three Reddit Alternatives After Reddit's API Decisions"
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Or Discuit.

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