Some do. Plenty on the left don’t because studies and examples since have shown where public ownership falls flat on its face and where it’s the only efficient way of doing things. As well as the grey area in between.
I think the political system and the disenfranchisement of voters has been the clear difference in the second half of the 20th century between social democracies which have succeeded in reducing inequality and those which have failed.
Ultimately the way we vote for people and the governments we end up with as a result are the least trivial aspect of politics.
Who cares about discussing issues like the economy or immigration, or equality, or any number of foreign policy decisions.
Ultimately only a third of the population are getting their choice in power at any given time under FPTP. There’s a winning minority, a losing minority, and a minority with no chance of someone to vote for gaining any power.
Divide and rule by those wishing to suppress democracy. Usually for monetary gain in corruption or avoiding taxation.
The right have what they want. Often with a minority of the voters.
Who else to blame for the failing of the left but the left.
They’re disadvantaged by the system but don’t make changes to fix it.
Given the system in place the left do not unite. While the only way to win is a party of a broad coalition.
The last republican to win the popular vote without being an incumbent was 35 years ago. Yet given close results and chances to turn elections in their favour the left have lost multiple times and have a 6-3 loss on the supreme court.
In the UK we’ve not had a united left wing party since the Iraq war in government or in opposition.
We’ll see what happens in the elections this year.
But yes. I blame “the left” as a disorganised majority for losing to an organised majority.
If electoral reform has been put through while the left had power I’d have more sympathy. But it wasn’t. Either the left is willing to empower the majority of it isn’t. It’s either going to try and win democratically or win with its own minority. Disenfranchised people like the right does.
The left is relative. Otherwise we still believe in the solutions of 50 years ago now.
Try nationalising manufacturing and farms. See how well that works. That was left wing once. Now it’s not. Even if there are still things you would nationalise.
You’re trying to create absolutes to argue easily against. That’s often the way political discourse goes but it’s wrong.
By all means build a straw man and totem of the left and right but it’s far more interesting to find the nuance and use your intelligence rather than treating the debate like a team sport to be won and lost.
I’m afraid “the left” hasn’t had a clear meaning for many decades now.
The meaning of what is left and right shifts over time and whatever method you choose to place the middle is where biases appear.
If no party to the left of A has a chance of government and no party to the left of B has a chance of government, you’ve placed “middle” in the wrong place.
Ignoring political reality by starting a history lesson isn’t going to create changes.
It’s likely to lead to voters involuntarily disenfranchising themselves and not having any effect on the duopoly the system encourages.
I’m saying if the left in those countries wants to win votes they have to gain voters by offering them something. That’s what moves the Overton window, a party trying to appeal to a broad base.
We don’t have a system which encourages a left, right, and centre leading to coalition governments.
We have a FPTP system which encourages 2 major parties to try and form coalitions within themselves to win an absolute majority in government. With outsiders getting disenfranchised.
Which coalition will the young male voter join? The one offering them something.
In a FPTP system what you seem to identify as “the left” are not the left. They are outsiders, detached and not pulling the government one way or the other.
They are involuntarily neutral voters except when they vote for one of the major 2 parties.
I disagree with the disenfranchisement in the system. I identify it as an additional problem. But the core problem is a lack of appeal to that demographic.
They’re “left” because we live in a 2 party system and they did spend money on healthcare and education.
I get what you’re saying. Essentially I’m saying the same thing,the left aren’t left enough to ensure their policies help everyone instead of a select few.
But they are the left under FPTP voting where most votes get disenfranchised.