TheBeege

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TheBeege ,

Youā€™re arguing semantics while the intention is clear. Quit being pedantic.

In our parentsā€™ generationā€™s time, a public service job could fund a house, two kids, and annual vacations. We want that, or even more since weā€™re significantly more productive since those days. A job used to give us needs and a good amount of wants. Conflating the two in this context, while not perfectly precise, is irrelevant.

TheBeege , (edited )

If Iā€™m talking about liking red cars then point to a car, and you say, ā€œthatā€™s not red, thatā€™s mauve,ā€ youā€™re being an ass.

If weā€™re shopping for paint together, and i say ā€œi like this red,ā€ and you reply, ā€œi think thatā€™s mauve,ā€ youā€™re trying to be specific in our communication about a common task.

Right now, weā€™re talking about cars. Chill out

TheBeege ,

Whenever I work with non-engineers, itā€™s baffling to me how impractical they are. They donā€™t measure things. They donā€™t test things. They donā€™t try new ways of doing things. Itā€™s like work is just a place to hang out and push some paper.

I get that we ideally donā€™t want to work, but I would be so bored being so ineffective. I think the article is trying to distinguish between these two kinds of people with respect to IT. With IT, you need to measure. You need to test. You need to plan. You need to experiment. A new idea or implementation can start an entire industry. So many people just donā€™t get that.

The great part is that if you create a good environment, the shit is fun. During good times, I fucking love my job. At bad companies, every day is a living hell.

If we could fix the bugs in modern capitalism, we could see real competition kill off these boring, ineffective companies, ideally in favor of driven but balanced places where people can do cool stuff. Plus, with a good social welfare system, if people wanted to fuck off for a few years, there would definitely be enough surplus production to support that (there probably is now, but itā€™s all hoardedā€¦)

TheBeege ,

That makes sense, but Iā€™m also taking about employees who operate without an SOP.

But your point about bullshit orders and targets makes sense. So itā€™s more an individual companyā€™s culture than a general trend? Maybe Iā€™ve just had bad luck

jlou , to Work Reform
TheBeege ,

Seems so to me. Iā€™m on lemmy. I can see it just fine

[Common Dreams] Teamsters Say Contract Talks Have Collapsed After UPS Made 'Unacceptable Offer' ( www.commondreams.org )

The Teamsters said Wednesday that high-stakes talks with UPS over a new contract for more than 340,000 workers have fallen apart after the company presented an offer that union negotiators deemed badly inadequate.

TheBeege ,

Oh baby. I hope UPS hurts and capitulates in a spectacular fashion to set an example for others: treat your workers well, or hurt then treat your workers well.

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