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go_go_gadget , (edited )

I mean you say this but moderate Democrats can’t handle progressives and leftists saying they’re voting 3rd party.

EDIT: lol

go_go_gadget ,

Yep. People forget some of the 2016 and 2020 DNC primary caucuses didn’t go much better.

go_go_gadget ,

It takes two to tango. Moderates steamrolled the primaries and got a geriatric establishment candidate elected knowing full well progressives and leftists would have a problem with it. Moderates backed Biden while he shredded the BBB. They backed Biden when he reverted on his campaign promise for $50k in student loan forgiveness. They backed Biden when he increased the defense budget. They backed Biden when he blocked the rail strike. They backed Biden when he told federal workers to return to the office. They backed Biden as he tasked Powell and Yellen with going to war with American workers. And they continue to back Biden as he continues sending weapons to Israel.

You could possibly make a case that both moderates and the farther left movements are to blame. But the fact is moderates are the majority and thus they hold the majority of the responsibility. Plus it’s a bit absurd that moderates accuse farther left movements as being unwilling to compromise when the compromises made by the moderates have been immaterial.

the idea that we’ll potentially lose democracy altogether

Would you rather lose Democracy or use the reconciliation bill as a bargaining chip to get the BBB passed?
Would you rather lose Democracy or follow through on the promise of $50k student loan forgiveness?
Would you rather lose Democracy or reduce the defense budget?
Would you rather lose Democracy or stay out of the rail strike?
Would you rather lose Democracy or allow federal workers to continue working remotely?
Would you rather lose Democracy or stop sending weapons to Israel?

When the former is chosen time, and time, and time, and time again the question has to be asked. Is Democracy all that important to you? Because all of these choices sound like a bargain to me.

go_go_gadget ,

No. Everything I listed was a choice Biden made and had nothing to do with Republicans. Take a breath, drop your proconceptions and read my comment again.

go_go_gadget ,

Do the leftist come out to push back and fight against the influence of the right simply by voting?

You tell me. If Biden managed to get elected without those votes in the 2020 general then why is he or anyone worried about 2024?

go_go_gadget ,

Extremist ideologues on all sides are a problem that will be handled.

Are you including all those people insisting on affordable housing, healthcare, education and food as “extremist ideologues”?

go_go_gadget ,

You just sailed right over all my questions.

Is Democracy important to you? Then encourage moderates, establishment Democrats, the DNC and Biden to compromise with the leftists and progressives in order to get the votes he needs to win the next election. If you’re not willing to do that then accept the consequences.

go_go_gadget ,

you seem to be saying you’re rather have Trump than compromise with leftists and progressives.

That accusation cuts both ways.

And you still haven’t answered any of my questions.

go_go_gadget , (edited )

Specifically I would never make the case that we’d lose democracy from trying to do any of the things you listed

In order for that to be true that would mean people those people would refuse to vote for Biden if he did those things yes?

Lecture them on the merits of compromise and the importance of democracy. Tell them to vote blue no matter who. Stop focusing those lectures on one group.

I don’t know how the government can actually block a strike if the people were really serious they could all quit and let the companies deal with that.

Sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about then and should keep quiet.

no one else was running in the primaries that I’m aware of.

Plenty of people were running in the 2020 primaries.

go_go_gadget ,

He actually was lecturing current executives. Admonishing them for behaving as if employees would give a shit about a rising stock price.

go_go_gadget ,

You’re not wrong but it is encouraging to read a sensible take from someone like him once in a while. It gives people hope to keep fighting.

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