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unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in How in the hell
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It feels somewhat disingenuous to compare the debt implicated in money creation with the debt imposed on ordinary workers simply to live.

unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in How in the hell
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Many concede as inevitable that work should be miserable.

Yet, some even still cast shame on those who emphasize the misery it causes.

Meanwhile, among those who describe work as miserable, it is common to assume the reason as being that work involves effort, rather than that work, at least the way it is generally imposed, requires the worker being subordinated.

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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I suppose feelings about a deal, after it is reached, are generally determined in some part by the original motive for seeking it.

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I generally agree. However, I was curious whether you had any thoughts related more directly to one of the earlier comments, concerning how fairness, within the context of employment, might be evaluated.

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I doubt there could be much meaning found in the possibility that corporate farms “suddenly” would have no profits.

Corporate farms are structured around the profit motive, which is supported by the claim they assert for exclusive control over certain plots of the land, and for exclusive ownership of the products from using such land. For farm workers not to be exploited, they must stop upholding respect for such claims. Plainly, their lives would be vastly better in consequence, as the full value of their products would be distributed among themselves, with no share being taken from them by anyone else simply from a claim to private ownership.

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Why would someone need to work a degrading job simply to remain housed, other than because such impositions support the profit motive for landlords, lenders, and employers?

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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How would you apply the general principle to the employment relationship?

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in Workers are not valuable
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What I mean is, if a claim is dishonest, given with an intention to manipulate or to mislead, then it is best simply to call out the deceitfulness, without searching for a more charitable interpretation.

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Walking barefoot on gravel is less painful than walking barefoot on nails.

The greater difference is in being free.

unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in I hate how much culture is controled by shitty people
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Also, if everyone is not working constantly, then we will all starve…

…because of, well, because of… scarcity!

unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in I hate how much culture is controled by shitty people
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I think when one small group holds power, the effects for everyone else are usually shitty.

The issue may be more related to power itself, rather than to those who hold it.

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Tech is a mature industry. It is evolving faster than others, but fast change is its nature, and will continue in the future. Do you mean that the industry will evolve away from the platform economy and social media, which supports the private interests of sustaining harmful economic systems, rather than empowering personal agency among the public?

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in Workers are not valuable
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Value from my work will be extracted because the sales staff needs to be paid, and the accountants need to be paid, and management, and everyone I rely on as a worker to both do my job and get paid.

Profit is not wages paid to workers other than yourself, even workers performing other job functions. Other workers receive wages because they provide labor, just as you receive wages because you provide labor. Profit is value generated by your labor, and by the labor of other workers, that is appropriated by the owners of a business, claimed for themselves, despite their not having contributed any labor to the productive processes of generating the wealth.

All sophisticated productive systems are based on division of labor, and even most primitive ones entail at least some. Division of labor is as old as the hills, but the unbounded accumulation of private wealth by the labor of workers is not universal and indeed relatively recent.

You should not support the profit motive of your employer simply because you have an occupational specialization. One is not bound to the other.

There will always be something additional removed for profit above and beyond the cost of all of those other labor needs that make my job possible, since I’m not the only person contributing to the earnings of the company, and the only way to make what I’m worth is to get out on my own,

Along a similar theme as above, you are conflating organization of labor in general, with particularly labor being organized by a private business under the profit motive.

The value I’m seeking to be recognised for is that I’m worth paying a higher percentage of the earnings I’m capable of bringing in.

Employers always pay workers, with the rarest exceptions, the absolute minimum required to retain their labor.

Otherwise, they would be eliminated by businesses that were more competitive.

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I think IT services (e.g. administration, support) and software development are effectively separate industries as concerned for labor organization. Business has clumped the two occupations into a single general category, but the reasons are in service to their own interests.

Software developers recently have not shown broad class solidarity or class consciousness.

Of course, some do exhibit such traits, and some have managed to find each other and to create pockets of organization and resistance.

Largely, however, the current generation of the occupation has been captured under the trance of techno-utopian ideals, as embodied in Silicon Valley, if not the more classically liberal ideals of Wall Street, and has been too comprehensively enclosed in its own bubbles to reveal any notice or concern that the systems operating from such ideals have been immense failures for the mass of the population.

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a lot of the recent college grads would just be happy to be employed for more money than they would be at pretty much any other job that they’ve worked

The workforce varies in terms of easiness to exploit, but the software industry is not prospering, and cannot do so, merely from the labor of workers without more than a few years of experience. Creating broad class solidarity both within industries and across them is an objective clearly within reach, even though the road will be difficult, uncertain, and at times dangerous.

The addage of “nobody wants to work anymore” is both true and false.

The claim is completely false.

Conceding it may be true also concedes a charitable interpretation, one outside the intention of the phrase as it is being proliferated.

The intention is gaslighting, defamation, and manipulation.

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