@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

unfreeradical

@[email protected]

This profile is from a federated server and may be incomplete. View on remote instance

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

You are probably not vastly different from a millionaire, just someone with less pomp and perhaps pretentiousness than some millionaires may have.

You may even know someone who secretly holds such wealth but feels too embarrassed to make it known.

A billionaire is someone who has the social role of controlling a vast section of society, through private ownership of resources and assets that are needed by others for use.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

For you, is it more significant that many may achieve such wealth, or that many more may not do so?

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

It feels elusive how anyone could spend so much, but controlling the content of mass media has been of great service for the interests of the Kochs and the Wilkses.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. Much of your observations speaks to the more conceptual differences between the millionaire and billionaire with respect to role in society. Workers generate plenty of wealth, more than enough for all to live well.

Billionaires generate no wealth, only hoard the wealth generated by workers.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Much of our perception is logarithmic, which is predictable, since patterns occur from proportion of quantities. Absolute quantities are meaningless in themselves. Even ten dollars as a quantity is meaningless except through prior experience understanding the value of a single dollar. Every value except the smallest is tenfold greater than some other value of at least some consequence.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

By some measures, Musk’s decisions managing Twitter/X should earn him one million lifetimes of homelessness.

I know no one personally who would remain secure after losing billions of dollars, yet I keep hearing that owners take all the risks and workers are always protected from hardship.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Arguably, housing should be accessible without toiling to make a rich person less unhappy and more wealthy.

jlou , (edited ) to Work Reform

"Inalienable Rights: Part I The Basic Argument" Against the Employer-Employee System and for Workplace Democracy

https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/

This article discusses how the contemporary system of labor relations treats employees as things rather than persons thus denying their humanity, and violating rights they have because of their personhood. Instead, work should be democratically controlled by the people doing it

@workreform

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Ellerman, according to my understanding, has tended to approach liberal defenses of private property by attaching further abstractions and obfuscation that produce no particular further clarity above established leftist criticisms.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Mostly, Ellerman’s approach is weighty and unwieldy, by capturing or complicating constructs that leftists have identified as unnecessary, unrobust, and outright fictitious.

Most leftists have no need for recovering natural rights, nor even have need of natural rights.

Workers might simply rebel against the exploiters, because workers have no wish and no need for being exploited.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Since workers were born into a world that affirms private property, they obviously never gave it their consent.

It is just a fiction that developed its own life by the whip, blade, and gun, and also by the pen and press.

Most of the work of leftist criticisms has been simply deconstructing entrenched doctrine, to help expand consciousness, and to build capacity for liberation.

Ellerman seems to prefer instead constructing his own layer of obfuscation. It may antagonize the wage system, but it declines to deconstruct the deeper nature of moral ideals, social constructs, and legal frameworks.

It is worth becoming familiar with leftist criticisms of natural rights.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Simply, owners demand for themselves more than they pretend to allow for workers.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Private property is a construct.

Natural rights is a construct.

Neither represents a transcendent truth.

The best account for natural rights is that it provides elegant packaging for values and norms already shared. The danger emerges because whoever controls the packaging also controls what becomes elegantly packaged.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

I see. I think the particular case is just one event revealing a problem that is much older and deeper.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Since I have a poor memory, would someone please remind me why it is harmful for the working class to continue allowing production to fall under the consolidated control of oligarchs?

I know there must be some reason, but I seem to keep forgetting.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

To some degree money is creating problems and obstructing solutions, but as long as our society is based on money, it is necessary to antagonize wealth consolidation and to support universal income.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

They buy sweatshops and meat packing plants.

Try not to nitpick the difference.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Helping others who are less fortune certainly seems more supportive of fulfillment than unbounded hoarding.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

The wealthy make charity necessary. Never praise them for appearing to make it possible.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

In other words, having money solves specifically the problems created by money, but none other.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

What are you suggesting?

Should we try to accelerate the end of capitalism by pursuing unnecessary suffering and death?

Do you think seeking to end poverty is the same as seeking to live wastefully?

I am genuinely not understanding what conflict you are identifying, or objection you are raising.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

I think the HoN is useful as a rough guide for how people often feel, think, and act in various conditions.

I doubt it may be useful for a making any firm predictions, or for asserting any unalterable quality of humanity.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Since money of course is just the means of exchange, having it prevents the suffering resulting from deprivation being imposed.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Well, money generally has been used for exchange of material items and ordering specialized services.

Above the availability of such, relations in community have represented the difference between living decently and living meaningfully.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

The system is a sham.

Consciousness is growing.

The young in particular are noticing, and becoming increasingly engaged in imagining a world that is different.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

“Automatically”?

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

I think the idealogy of neoliberalism has succeeded quite admirably in duping the population into believing that it shares with corporations the same interests, erasing almost all collective consciousness of class struggle.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Do you know of any historic precedent for the state being so enthusiastic about worker organization?

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

I am asking you to consider, through substantive inquiry, how the ideal you promote is most likely to be achieved.

Historically, has the state supported the interests of the working class for becoming organized, or has it rather tended to support the interests of business?

If the state has supported the interests of workers, then would it not follow that the state already provides the organization needed for advancement of the working class, such that unions would be unnecessary?

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

You seem to be suggesting that workers should form unions, such that, when the working class develops enough power, it should use the power to press the state to force workers to form unions.

An essential issue seems to be of circularity.

A further quite severe doubt for me is the meaningfulness of organization among workers who have not sought organization. Unions require active participation from members who believe that being organized is valuable and who conceive of themselves as agents of their own liberation.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Enthusiastically providing your own labor increases the total supply of labor, leading to wage depression for you and every other worker.

Make business owners pay more for your labor, by making your time valuable to you, for your own life and for improving the lives of others, in family and community, about whom you genuinely care.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Overtime is best when organized with a union. Otherwise, it is being taken through scabbing.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

The post is not intending to criticize an irregular work schedule on its merits. Indeed, some occupations require an irregular schedule.

The criticism directs at platforms manipulating workers by obfuscating the structure of exploitation through participation in the gig economy.

Note the text, “Working excessive hours isn’t… [just] flex…”

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

We are trying to educate each other about the general issues in our society, and to broaden insight. We are not preaching solutions for individuals, or making demands on anyone.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Each community has both a stated purpose and an evolved character, and each occurs within a broader context of politics and society. We discuss and contribute openly, beneath such context.

Your objection is not particularly accurate. I was explaining, against your earlier concern, that the intention is quite different from attacking individuals for how they approach their own circumstances, and from imposing over discussion any assumptions about such circumstances.

Even if certain contributions may appear superficially as personal, the deeper motive is most likely political or structural.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

They get it, but to them the only good worker is one who is well controlled.

If a work week of thirty two hours would be proved equally productive as one of forty, if most in society would be caused no harm from such a reduction, then workers may begin shortly after to consider a twenty hour work week.

Then, while considered the new objective, workers also may be discovering new opportunities for self care and community care, developing new relationships with hobbies and leisure, and expanding their identities into new facets and in new directions.

After not too much time would pass, a critical mass of workers might start to feel convinced that the whole system is a house of cards, built only on threat and deception, and deserving be dismantled in favor of one that is new and different.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

I suspect the folks upstairs have some change to spare.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Either is just as good as the other, in the grand scheme.

Just keep taking away cards, one and then another, until the whole house falls.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Every possibility either is too radical, or never was radical.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Fewer hours each week would be better for schools than summer vacation.

The latter is historically based on family farming.

Now children are overburdened most of the year, and idle and bored for the rest.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Millennials is just the name for the group despised by Boomers, and Boomers is just the name for the group despised by Millennials. Otherwise, either term is completely meaningless.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Build class solidarity. Erode the power of insurance companies. Demand reimbursements that cover both your operating expense and personal income. Support other workers. Support every worker. Take down the system.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

I agree that doctors are unlikely to seek union formation at the current time. I have suggested supporting the working class overall, to help us develop power against the systems that are harmful to us as a class.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

My best guess is that money came from a place that has much more money.

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Now, returning, just for a moment, to the real world…

unfreeradical , (edited )
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

No. It’s not.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

Listen, the system will not allow itself to collapse, instead of trying to preserve itself, simply due to a fear of outside judgment.

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

The collapse is the striking workers you believe are definitely safe from ACAB.

The system is ACAB.

Get it?

unfreeradical ,
@unfreeradical@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • random
  • All magazines