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unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in Companies lower salaries in job postings as pay transparency laws take effect
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Again, an enterprise is not an organization in which each worker creates some quantity of final product.

An enterprise is an organization in which all workers contribute to the social processes of production to create collectively its final products.

How the value of the products, determined at the point of sale, is distributed among the various individuals, who are associated with the enterprise, is a choice made by whoever controls the enterprise.

Different choices are preferred by different parties. Business owners pay workers the minimum possible for the labor to be provided. How workers would choose to distribute value among themselves, in any particular enterprise they might control, if owners were not claiming profits, is a choice that is theirs among themselves.

unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in Companies lower salaries in job postings as pay transparency laws take effect
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The value you describe does not exist.

It is not “hard to quantity”. It is completely imaginary.

I addressed your concerns, now two times in succession.

Production is social, not individual.

Products, which are collectively created, may have a particular value.

How each individual worker’s contribution is valorized is a choice among the group that created the product collectively.

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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We, not they.

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in Workers are not valuable
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I am not quite understanding why you are inspecting operating costs so deeply, since the subject is not strongly relevant to whether an enterprise has private owners who claim profit.

Every enterprise creates products that are sold for some value. Production requires a variety of non-labor inputs. The enterprise must also pay operating expenses.

The sale value of products minus the sum of inputs and expenses is the value of the collective labor for all the workers in the enterprise.

The value is distributed within the enterprise. In the case of a privately owned business, distribution of value, like all operations, is controlled by owners, who pay workers the minimum amount required for their labor to be provided, and claim the rest of the value as profit.

For an enterprise that is cooperative, no owners claim profit, and workers may choose how to distribute value among themselves, realizing the full value of their labor.

In either case, some value may be invested in expansion of the enterprise.

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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How do you understand fairness, in the greatest generality, respecting agreements and relationships?

In other words, for agreements or relationships to be fair, in any context, what conditions must be met or features must it have?

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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What did you learn from watching the video?

What are your substantive concerns or criticisms with respect to it?

unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in Companies lower salaries in job postings as pay transparency laws take effect
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Again, valorization of workers’ labor depends on a process being chosen for labor valorization, and any process chosen to valorize workers’ labor is simply a process chosen.

No choice is objectivity more accurate than all others, respecting actual value of labor.

Equal rate of remuneration, for each unit of time, for every worker, is not choosing a rate different from the value of each worker’s labor, but rather choosing that each worker’s labor has equal value.

Your premise is that some worker’s labor is more valuable than others’, as an inherent or essential attribute of the activity representing the labor.

The premise is false.

Every activity of labor may be objectively described, but such a description encloses the entirety of its objective attributes.

Value is not an objective attribute.

Your objection about the plumber is a red herring.

Activities that are not productive are not relevant to a discussion over how various activities of labor are valorized, because labor is simply productive activity.

Further, the enterprise manages which task occupies each worker at each time. As long as each worker cooperates with such decisions, the worker is being productive within the enterprise, by cooperatively contributing to the social processes of production managed within the enterprise.

Your conception of some workers being more or less removed from a product is simply a subjective feeling, irrelevant to the value of the worker’s labor provided to the social processes of production within the enterprise.

unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in How in the hell
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It seems only sensible that someone would want to be paid the full value of their labor.

Yet, in so many of my conversations, someone gives a reasons to justify a share of the value being taken by executives and billionaires.

People are struggling to survive, but they act like their survival is less important than wealth being further accumulated by someone who already has enough wealth for countless lifetimes.

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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You might just look for a mutual aid group in your area.

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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I was abducted by interdimensional aliens who told me that vows of truth are only effective in less than half of all cases.

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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It seems as though you and I read two completely different posts.

Did you intend to put your comment elsewhere?

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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As I say, you seem quite embittered.

You are also attacking a straw man.

Perhaps take a day or so to unwind, and then try reading my question again (including the entirety of the comment).

unfreeradical , (edited ) to Work Reform in How in the hell
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Not you.

My neighbors’ eight-year-old son’s dog walker’s second cousin (once removed) says you’re a liar (and always will be).

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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OK troll.

unfreeradical , to Work Reform in How in the hell
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Unfortunately, you seem too angry and confused to participate in a meaningful conversation.

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