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alexm42 , to Fediverse in Kbin Roadmap 2023

Two questions: Is there any plan to add the ability to collapse comment chains? That's, like, the one big UI thing from Reddit that I'm missing. The other question is, is having the comment box for adding a top level comment at the bottom an intentional design choice, to encourage people to read the threads before commenting? I think at the very least adding a shortcut to take users to the comment box near the top would go a long way to improving usability.

Other than that, if the goal is to be a replacement for Reddit refugees, my first impressions are that this has the right recipe. Very impressive work so far.

StaticBoredom , to /kbin in Can we make a habit around here to post directly the tweet/comment/article instead of posting a screenshot to it
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In general I like the idea. My only suggestion as a caveat is that whenever possible we offer non-corporate alternative URLs instead of the types of sites the fediverse is trying to improve upon.

For example, post Invidious links instead of YouTube, Nitter links instead of Twitter, and just about any link you can think of instead of Google or Facebook.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=U06rCBIKM5M

https://nitter.kylrth.com/ChristianSelig

Acala OP ,

I disagree with this. I'm all for federated and non-corporate alternatives but I think we should post the source and not an alternative front-end. Those that want to use exclusively those alternative front-ends have access to browser add-ons that automatically redirect them.

BoltKey , to Czech in Nahradí Kbin Reddit?

/r/czech byla skvělá komunita, a když jsem si chtěl utřídit pohled na věc v aktuálním dění pročtením názorů lidí, se kterými mám podobný vibe a vnímání světa, tak /r/czech vždy bylo první místo. Já jen doufám, že se většina /r/czech přesune sem. Jak se říká: "I'm doing my part"

serose04 OP ,

Zatím se na Redditu nekončí, vypínáme se do středy a pak se jede dál. Jak to bude až (a jestli) vejdou změny API v platnost, to je teď těžké soudit

Tomassci ,
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Ahoj, je nějaký update? Jelikož zatím Reddit nevypadá, že by něco měnil...

AucT , to Fediverse in Take a bow, developers of kbin.social

I don't understand why all fediverse CMS written in php.
If authors used go/rust/java it should handle lots of users much easier.
Imo tools that has purpose to serve thousands of concurrent users should consider energy efficiency.

https://cdn.thenewstack.io/media/2018/05/3730357d-results-energy-time-and-memory-usage-screenshot-from-research-paper.png

anony-mous356 ,
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This person (link below) is creating a nice reddit alt using Rust. I know its Rust because I spoke with them. I think this php site can work very efficient with proper caching, file storage (storing images and videos elsewhere), and db optimization. I think Flask/FastAPI is quite fast as well. I ran a small site using flask with 250 concurrent users using light calculations for the backend a couple years ago on my home server and it still loaded extremely fast. I am seriously curious what sort of server or shared hosting this site is being ran off of, because one article every 15min to an hour makes me believe its not extremely bogged down with traffic, yet its still not performant. Maybe its a host issue of being ran using a slow shared hosting service, idk.
https://www.reddit.com/comments/13x0hzo

biscotty ,

If as the link suggests this is from 2018 a lot (!) has changed at least in the JS world and the Python world. Can't speak for the others. Would be nice to see the underlying paper to see how the author defines the measurements, ie whose time is being measured, system (speed), development?

KBSez , to /kbin in Magazine dedicated to discussions about the kbin itself. Provide feedback, ask questions, suggest improvements, and engage in conversations related to the platform organization, policies, features, and community dynamics.
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How can I do SPOILERS here on KBin ? I've tried all the usual markdown tags and none work

blacksheep , to /kbin in Magazine dedicated to discussions about the kbin itself. Provide feedback, ask questions, suggest improvements, and engage in conversations related to the platform organization, policies, features, and community dynamics.

What is the difference between boosts and upvotes?

Is there a way to collapse comment threads? Can something like that be added please.

ned , to Fediverse in Kbin Roadmap 2023

Saw an interesting random post about kbin written in Italian. The guy liked the idea, but said he doesn't like PHP.

ernest OP ,
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ned ,

Strangely enough, in this particular context, I'd say PHP is better than Rust, cause at least you get a garbage collector.
Solid logic with sticking with what you can prototype in quickly. That's a lot more important than performance. However, people hate PHP, so it's gonna be hard to find help (I assume it doesn't matter, it seems like a solo mission :)

Perhaps, this type of discussion should be avoided. Maybe some kinda FAQ section where you explain why Lemmy isn't satisfactory for you.

ernest OP ,
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I totally agree, I want to have an FAQ where I explain various aspects of the project. I just started writing it down on the wiki.

https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/wiki

ned ,

Hmm, this sounds like Pidgin (or any other universal messenger) for ActivityPub.

The first paragraph is quite confusing. Could you explain why a content aggregator should be combined with microblogging?

ernest OP ,
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This is difficult to describe in a few sentences, it's just a preliminary sketch of one of the sections. I need to gather my thoughts and I think once I finish it, everything will be much clearer.

ned ,

ernest, I like this project cause you've been so responsive and enthusiastic.

I don't like microblogging. The only good application for it is for discovery without advanced search. I'd prefer the focus to be on well written articles, engaging podcasts, and video documentaries. What's that called macroblogging? Monetization, haha? We gotta give people an incentive to produce thoughtful content. I'd recommend integrating with LBRY. That could be another NLnet project: ActivityPub to LBRY bridge.

The microblogging aspect could be automated with a summarizer, and autoposted.

This would be an awesome service for me, I'd pay $5/mo to have it.

ernest OP ,
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Hi @ned,

I don't like microblogging. The only good application for it is for discovery without advanced search

I am currently working on a search engine. It will be more contextual, with the ability to choose the search area and filter search results. But I understand what you mean and I also understand why Lemmy maintainers made that design decision. However, I believe that cutting off such a large part of the fediverse is not the best.

I want /kbin to be simple and modular because I want to give people a choice in how it looks. Ultimately, it can be a page like it is now, or just a link/article aggregator, or bloggin platform, or an events browser, or streams browser. I want /kbin to be a window into the fediverse. The person who encounters the fediverse for the first time on /kbin will have the opportunity to explore the entire rich ecosystem, and over time may want to move on to more dedicated solutions, which is cool.

Combining a link aggregator and microblog is not my original idea. In addition to Reddit, I drew inspiration from two Polish social portals:

  • Strims - probably the closest to /kbin - collapsed several years ago due to the owner's misguided decisions. One of them was to delete the microblog section against the will of the community. Decentralization is supposed to solve this problem.
  • Wykop - one of the most popular social portals in Poland with a huge user base. Unfortunately, this year a new version was released that is slowly killing the service. In addition, it is sponsored by political parties, which especially now, just before the elections, makes it unusable for me. Despite having an account there for 15 years and a lot of sentiment, I have recently almost stopped visiting it. Decentralization is supposed to solve this problem.

We gotta give people an incentive to produce thoughtful content. I'd recommend integrating with LBRY

I'll take a closer look at LBRY because I've only heard a little bit about it so far. Personally, I'm a supporter of free and open knowledge on the internet for everyone. I'm also very cautious when it comes to cryptocurrencies. But I also don't like to limit myself, I like to draw inspiration from everywhere :) However, I'm keeping an eye on various projects, and lately I'm interested in , where there are some super interesting things going on. Previously, Kbin had the option to receive Cardano donations for content, without external intermediaries, but it turned out to be too complicated and confusing for people at that time (https://streamable.com/hdr4f0).

Nevertheless, I know someone who understands this area much better than I do, and we've discussed it before @fervi.
Running a project alone isn't easy, and one of the things I would do differently is to send an email to Nlnet earlier. Maybe it's really worth presenting this vision now.

I want to focus on developing the core, as it will be the foundation for building other things, but I would be happy to help with integrations.

I assume it doesn't matter, it seems like a solo mission

I hope that I\ll only be alone for a while :) A large and important part of the Fediverse is based on PHP (Pixelfed, Friendica, WriteFreely, etc.). But you're right, it doesn't matter. If /kbin can help in any way or at least brighten the day of one person, I'm all in for it :) Currently, I want to keep an eye on the bigger picture and not get distracted from the main goal. This is additionally difficult for me because I'm not even a native speaker and I have to be very careful not to be misunderstood or inadvertently offend anyone in any way.

To be honest, it's my little obsession hahah. It started back then (http://web.archive.org/web/20180203151128/https://makigi.pl/), but I didn't have enough skills to develop such a big project. So I decided to quit my job and knock on the door of the first professional-looking IT company in the area. I asked for a free internship, I wanted to see how certain things are done and get answers to some of my questions. I met such cool people there that I stayed for a few years more than I planned ;p That led me here.

I'm an average developer, but believe me, I'm fricking stubborn.

cragsand , to Fediverse in Kbin Roadmap 2023
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Very impressive for a prototype 👏
Excited to see where this project is headed 👀

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