kde ,
@kde@floss.social avatar

Phone Link is Microsoft's late and closed source alternative to KDE Connect. It requires you sign in to a Microsoft Account for it to work.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/phone-link-requirements-and-setup-cd2a1ee7-75a7-66a6-9d4e-bf22e735f9e3

This means all the transactions between your phone and your PC are monitored and sucked up by Microsoft.

@kde

b100dian ,
@b100dian@mastodon.social avatar

@kde @kde
Wasn't MS "Your phone" available for 5+ years? I mean, I know KDE connect is since 10+ years, but how is this news? Change of naming?

Bro666 ,
@Bro666@social.tchncs.de avatar

@b100dian @kde @kde

Here's the thing: firstly, There are people who don't know things you do. if you already knew about this, this post is not for you. It's for the people who were not aware of the dangers of using Microsoft's alternative.

Secondly: KDE is not a news agency. Their main mission is to inform, sometimes of stuff that is old, but persevering in time, and often their posts will not cover the headlines of the day. But that doesn't matter, because they are not a news agency.

silverdiamond ,

Apart from screen mirroring and sms that everyone has mentioned the proprietary alternative undeniably has more features.
I don't know whether it is phone link or link to windows but one of them has a feature where your phone can be used as a webcam over WiFi. As someone who set up ip webcam on my phone and used obs virtual camera through most of the pandemic's online classes it's quite useful and I'd like to see features like that just work and are not relying on mjpeg and proprietary software on the phone end.
Their auto hotspot feature i haven't gotten to work and i think is useless but I'm thankful that i don't have to turn off kde connect when using samsung dex.

BennyHill ,
@BennyHill@lemmy.ml avatar

It requires you sign in to a Microsoft Account for it to TRY TO work

ftfy, i wanted to give it a shot one time and it literally didnt work, at all. all of Microsofts cross device features are a hot mess, like how you are supposed to be able to share the clipboard between logged in windows PCs, never could get that working either.

guiguinofake , (edited )

@kde why isn't it called KDE Konnect instead of Connect?

ulfi ,
@ulfi@troet.cafe avatar

@kde
Not anyone know that KDE connect works on all devices, Android to android, Linux to Windows and all combinations.

So no need to use something like a bad copy from Microsoft.

@kde

MystikIncarnate ,

I'll just leave this here:

https://kdeconnect.kde.org/

csolisr ,
@csolisr@hub.azkware.net avatar

@kde @ulfi About the only thing missing from KDE Connect so far is support for file and screen sharing between Android and Windows. But that's mostly a software issue.

n3m37h ,

Phone link is SHIT, it only works sometimes and never when ya need it to

refalo ,

so exactly like kde connect then

calamity_joe ,

And it will never not connect even when you dont want it to

istanbullu ,

KDE Connect is an amazing app

refalo ,

when it works. but it's so incredibly buggy, especially the desktop apps, and double especially the sms desktop app. holy shite is it terrible, and trying to get support is like trying to report a problem to google

MystikIncarnate ,

All I'm going to say to this is....

You people still use SMS?

I've explicitly told people not to send me text messages. The protocols are old and shit compared to other instant messengers. I'm on Google chat, telegram, signal, discord, slack, teams.... Find another app to talk to me with. I generally don't care which one, but I actively refuse to sign up for or into any Facebook/meta/Zuckerberg properties. If you use something I don't that isn't owned by the zuck, I'll probably sign up so we can keep touch, but for the love of God, not SMS.

Look, SMS was great when phones didn't have internet on them. It was a quick and easy way to send updates and chat while away from your cable/DSL/dialup (whatever you had at the time). Now that data is the primary use for a mobile phone plan, just use a more robust IM app.

I also have about six or seven phone numbers, which I give out to different groups of people for different reasons, plus a phone number on my mobile which nearly nobody knows. All my other lines (all VoIP lines) ring my cellphone number. Texting from my VoIP line is not fun, but it does work. Multimedia messages generally get lost and RCS is just encouraging the use of something that should have been killed off.

I'm partial to Telegram and signal since they mainly operate by phone numbers, but I can make "voice" and video calls over data rather than having to use my cellphone directly; which allows me to call from my computer, laptop, phone, tablet.... Literally any device that can run the program. So if my phone is lost/damaged/stolen/whatever (unavailable for any reason), I can still send messages to you and call if needed.

If everything is tied to your cellphone number, and that number becomes unavailable for any reason, well... Get fucked I guess. Your SIM stops working, your phone dies/breaks/gets stolen, your provider decides to fuck your account up or charge you a fortune for no good reason and cuts you off, your provider has a major malfunction and stops servicing clients in your area.... Literally anything goes wrong with the one system you use and all your SMS bullshit goes away. Stop. Using. SMS.

refalo ,

besides many banks requiring SMS 2FA still, I usually only talk with non-app-using people over e2ee RCS

MystikIncarnate ,

The banks are borderline criminally negligent because they exclusively use SMS for 2FA.

Simply, it is insufficient.

I get that they want the SMS information on file, and that's understandable, but give people another option at least, Holy hell. It gives my inner IT secops brain an aneurysm.

matthieu ,
@matthieu@puffer.fish avatar

@MystikIncarnate @refalo Shouldn't RCS be a better (ah-through already outdated to begin with) standard to use ? With major phone constructors making it available ?

MystikIncarnate ,

It's improvement.

But you can also polish a turd, and that's also improvement. It's still a turd. Taking 1990's tech and overlaying rich text services onto it, is just polish for the same 90's tech that should have been left behind.

IMO, it's still worlds away from what you can get with a purely digital instant messaging system.

Also, it seems idiotic to me that nearly all of your communications can go up in smoke by accidentally dropping your phone into a wood chipper, and you'll be SOL until you replace it because everything is hairpinned through your cellphones SMS capability. Battery dead? Out of your providers service area? Ha ha, get fucked.

Just dumb.

Norodix ,
@Norodix@mastodon.social avatar

@kde @kde
Kde connect is awesome!

matthieu ,
@matthieu@puffer.fish avatar

@Norodix @kde @kde it really is awesome! I use it daily. The last time was during a presentation at school , using my phone as a kind of remote for presentations is awesome

Tejas ,
@Tejas@floss.social avatar

@kde
is really awesome. The only negative point is that it won't allow you to send multiple files simultaneously. We have to send each file separately. If possible, please provide it soon.
@kde

AFC1886VCC ,

That's my problem with KDE. Probably the one most useful feature it could implement, it doesn't have.

SloppilyFloss ,
@SloppilyFloss@lemmy.ml avatar

KDE Connect mounts your phone as a network folder in Dolphin. You could copy multiple files and paste them into a folder in your phone through Dolpin as a workaround.

militaryintelligence ,

I turned on phone link once. Had a hell of a time getting it to not connect to my phone.

AeroLemming ,

Does KDE connect actually work with SMS on Windows now? Last time I used it, I couldn't text people, only reply using the notification if they texted me and I happened to click on it quickly enough. Pretty useless.

refalo ,

it is absolutely useless on all platforms

AeroLemming ,

Thanks, you have saved me the time of trying it again.

Allero ,

Based.

And yes, KDE Connect ftw

thirstyhyena , (edited )

closed source - true

alternative to KDE Connect - false

requires you sign in to a Microsoft Account for it to work - true

Damage ,

you've got to place two spaces at the end of the text before every return if you want a
new line, otherwise two returns give you a

new paragraph

anandu ,
@anandu@mastodon.social avatar

@kde @kde I use KDE connect (always connected) and sometimes depends on my need and mood. Does the job and reliable than link(I've used it, bad experience).

Godnroc ,

I love hearing about a new tool like this.

AVincentInSpace ,

Interesting that they bothered to make this considering KDE Connect already works on Windows

iturnedintoanewt ,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

I'm sure it might stop working soon enough. For your safety.

Flatworm7591 ,

The only unique (I think?) thing about phone link is that it enables you to use your Android phone camera as a webcam, which can be handy if you don't have a quality webcam. I think its only in the beta version though.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Audio and video sharing would be really handy. I wonder if KDE connect might do this at some point

russjr08 ,
@russjr08@bitforged.space avatar

I'm not sure if this is a Pixel feature or if its available across all of Android, but there is an option when you connect over USB to connect your phone as a webcam - but that is of course tethered instead of being wireless.

Flatworm7591 ,

With phone link I have tested the beta version and you can use your phone camera wirelessly after initial setup. At least I was able to do this using a Redmi Note 9s without any obvious issues, apart from the privacy concerns noted elsewhere.

alyth ,

Look what they need just to mimic a fraction of our power

Lightfire228 ,

I wonder if KDE connect could leverage the way Syncthing does device discovery and pairing

It works across networks, with no configuration

felichsdakatze ,
@felichsdakatze@mastodon.social avatar

@kde @kde

I only stumbled onto KDE connect in f-droid about a month ago.

It's the fastest way to transfer large files from device to device.

I just wish I could show my phone screen on my old tablet.

magmaus3 ,
@magmaus3@mk.absturztau.be avatar

@felichsdakatze @kde @kde

you might want to check out droidVNC-NG to share the screen from your (android) phone via vnc
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.christianbeier.droidvnc_ng/

there's also avnc, which is an android vnc client
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.gaurav.avnc/

Rustmilian , (edited )
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Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar
felichsdakatze ,
@felichsdakatze@mastodon.social avatar

@Rustmilian
That says works on Linux, Windows and Mac. I'm after android to android. Screen casting from phone to tablet essentially. Am I missing some fine print?

Rustmilian , (edited )
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Treczoks ,

"Alternative"

mousey ,
@mousey@seattlematrix.org avatar

@kde @kde

On one hand, lame!! Die in a fire, copycats

on the other hand, cool! it's not my imagination that kdeconnect is the best phone app ever. thank you to all involved!! ❤️

federino ,

ahahah loved the picture

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

KDE Connect and Phone Link only have partial feature overlap. I prefer KDE Connect but to claim that either is a proper alternative for the other is wrong, unless I missed that KDE Connect supports casting the phone's screen to PCs and launching phone apps from there.

englislanguage ,

There is scrcpy for that and you can launch arbitrary commands from KDE Connect too.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

There is scrcpy for that and you can launch arbitrary commands from KDE Connect too.

I'm fully aware of that but the scrcpy feature set is not integrated into KDE Conenct, therefore the features overlap to a degree but aren't the same. Phone Link allows to launch apps from Windows, KDE Connect doesn't offer the same. That's no diss or anything, just stating facts.

Galapagon ,

No screen mirroring though 😕

englislanguage ,

Maybe scrcpy is the tool for you then.

jozefch ,

@kde @kde looks like they just want all our data... never enough!

Windows is turning into another spyware

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Windows is turning into another spyware

Turning?

jozefch ,

@woelkchen ok, it already IS a spyware

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