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Pronell ,

Rudderless men with little career prospects realizing they’ll never get to a comfortable lifestyle without a major change.

They can either change themselves for the better or join a movement that aims to change society and hope that it propels them upward.

Better education, empathy, and economic conditions can turn the tide, but it’s a big job.

GregorGizeh ,

That’s literally all there is to it. Even in the olden days it was a well known fact that a generation of young men without (economic, social, romantic) perspective is a generation who will radicalize to either side. If the system isn’t working for them they will seek to change the system.

If politicians were serious about curbing extremism they would make sure everyone simply lives a decent standard of living, with prospects for their future.

TropicalDingdong ,

This 💯

Delphia ,

Its also why I believe most modern governments try REALLY hard not to go to war. Not because of the death and destruction but because they dont want a combat trained populace.

Also because shared adversity unites, the differences between people get really unimportant when they are trying to keep each other alive in combat.

The idea of a significant percentage of “us” coming back and being united and trained well enough to actually threaten the system scares the piss out of them.

slurpeesoforion ,

It’s the same logic as lotto players. Spend this little bit of money/effort while expecting life changing results.

soviettaters ,

It also must be noted that the left in the US has been vilifying men for many years now. It’s starting to change, but that made it easy for extremists to swoop in and radicalize men.

DroneRights ,

It’s not the left who’s been villifying men, it’s TERFs, who are firmly right wing and in fact love hanging out with Nazis.

Valence_davis ,

@Pronell @spaduf after equity dismantled my son’s gifted programs as “vehicles of white supremacy” it became obvious that the new problem is a rapidly failing “symbolic elite.” Gaslighting is their main argument at this point in history. I am also profoundly academically with a high income an extremely effective rudder. 😉

https://musaalgharbi.com/2021/05/05/book-announcement-we-have-never-been-woke/

Incandemon ,

I think your more or less correct, but I wanted to point out that there is also a lack of support for these men.

I’m currently at university and so far as I have been able to find there is exactly zero support, or desire for white, cis men. There are advertised support groups, grants and bursaries, and programs for literally every other demographic on campus. If your a white man however your on your own, often because “oh, your part of the patriarchy and don’t need help”.

It makes it tough to change for the better when its seems that all the groups that seek to improve conditions for the repressed usually point at white men and say “Your bad and should feel bad because your a man”. I either stand alone or with the fascists, so I stand alone and do my best to be supportive of human rights for all from the outside.

Pronell ,

That is true, more support is needed all around, and there is a crisis of men questioning themselves and their society, along with well-funded outside forces ready to radicalize them.

The central question is compelling because self development and changing society are both vitally important, and we need to be doing a LOT better than yelling “No, not like that!”

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