winterayars ,

Promising The Day Of The Rope sure is one way to drive turnout.

Gargleblaster ,
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They are acting like the fix is already in. My guess is Russia.

Gargleblaster ,
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They're not mulling. That's the plan.

Truck_kun ,

This is what I forgot about a few weeks ago, in the mess of all the awful things he’s done, as one of the worst and most egregious reasons not to re-elect him.

Everyone remember in cities across the country, him deploying un-marked, unidentified federal law enforcement to protests to essentially kidnap protestors off the street.

These weren’t the governors deploying the national guard either, or your local police/sheriff, if was Trump and his associates deploying federal officers.

I don’t even honestly remember hearing what happened to many of these people, they were extrajudicial kidnappings; they weren’t even read their rights, they just pulled up in unmarked vehicles, no clear display of badges, or identifying information covered up, and pulled people into their vehicles.

This was very much applied to BLM protestors, but could easily be applied to abortion protestors, or really any kind of protestor.

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland

Reading up on it a bit now years later, apparently taken to a secondary location, then read their miranda rights, photographed, and questioned; released with no record of arrest. Very much not the way to handle protests

Rottcodd ,

It’s funny, because I’ve often wondered just how it was that Germany came to be dominated by the Nazis, because it just seems too insane to even be possible.

And now I’m watching the same basic thing play out in the US, and I still don’t understand how it’s happening, and it still seems too insane to even be possible.

Jaytreeman ,

The Democrats could change things now, but they aren't.
Not doing anything is being complicit

yiliu ,

What could they change?

What they can do is win the election in a big way, and finally discredit Trumpism.

WHYAREWEALLCAPS ,

How? What, exactly, are they not doing? They lack control of Congress and the Supreme Court. Anything Biden tries that would limit it would wind up struct down by the Federal courts. At least that's my view, so please, by all means, explain to me how the Democrats are doing nothing and are complicit.

Jaytreeman ,

Biden could be using executive orders AND be pressing for more supreme court seats. That's without mentioning the hard tac he should have taken against sinema and manchin.

Kleinbonum ,

So use desperate strongman measures to prop up democracy lest it would fall to the fascists?

Have you ever read about the last three democratically elected administrations of the Weimar Republic, and how they tried to use increasingly desperate measures like emergency orders to prevent the Republic from falling - which paved the way for the National Socialists to simply use the established standard and bypass Parliament completely once they were in power?

WHYAREWEALLCAPS ,

So doing the same thing Trump was rightly criticized for. Gotcha.

The Senate is not filibuster proof, so making a change like adding Supreme Court seats would never fly. Speaking of that, with the razor slim majority the Dems have there, taking a hard tack against Sinema and Manchin would have been like arguing with a shotgun whose trigger had been pulled not to blow your head off. Or do you think Sinema and Manchin are idiots who didn't know they could get their bread buttered from either side of the aisle and still come out smelling like roses? Those two held all the power and they knew it.

Jaytreeman ,

When fascists are knocking at the door, the time to play nice has passed.

Trump was on track to have the most executive orders in the recent past. Obama, bush and Clinton all had more.

Executive orders are an integral part of any presidency. It's literally how each president makes their mark

nicetriangle OP ,
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Fuckin yikes

gravitas_deficiency ,

That’s vastly understating the matter.

Him doing that would very likely kick off another civil war. Some governors would absolutely refuse to release their state national guards for this duty, which would be a massive constitutional crisis, but frankly probably way better than just letting it happen.

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