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Jaysyn , (edited )
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

Done and done, Bernie.

West to accuse him of only backing Biden because he is “fearful of the neo-fascism of Trump.

That quote shows how frankly, stupid, Cornel West is. Game theory & math show that it is impossible for a 3rd party run to succeed with US style FPtP voting in place. Get rid of that & then we can talk, but not to you, shit for brains.

TokenBoomer ,

Does this inform your opinion?

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@programming.dev avatar

Post an archive link or copy and paste the article if it’s behind a paywall. I can’t subscribe to dozens of news outlets because someone posted an article once for a throwaway discussion.

fragmentcity ,

Don’t put this on people posting links.

Use a browser extension if it’s personally important to you, or just paste the link in yourself. Archive sites go offline; they shouldn’t be primary link sources.

Zorque ,

It's personally important to the person sharing it. The reason they're not subscribing is because it isn't personally important.

If you want to share information, you need to take the responsibility of making sure it's readable. You can't just throw shit at the wall and expect everyone else to interpret it correctly. That's a recipe for misunderstanding and divisiveness.

TokenBoomer ,

We’re not all rich like Zorque subscribing to 55 newspapers.

fragmentcity ,

You didn’t really read or engage with any of my points, so I’ll ignore your lecture about misunderstanding.

Zorque ,

Just because I didn't parrot something you personally agree doesn't mean I didn't engage.

But I suppose if you only want to hear what conforms to your viewpoints, that's your prerogative.

fragmentcity ,

You’re winning an argument that no one is having with you, great job 👍

You didn’t respond to the substance of my comment. Links to paywalled articles are trivial to paste into a site like archive.is. Archive sites are taken down all the time, it makes no sense to provide them as the primary source of a link.

norbert ,
@norbert@kbin.social avatar

Not the other commenter but here it is:

https://archive.is/RPmJ5

TokenBoomer ,

Here’s another link that’s not paywalled.

Sharpiemarker ,

Yep Bernie is right, 100%.

btaf45 ,

Yep Bernie is right, 100%.

He always had been. I've never known him to be wrong.

TheAnonymouseJoker , (edited )

Why did he support Yugoslavia’s bombing by NATO?

NovaPrime ,
@NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

He supported Serbia’s bombing. And because it was thr right thing to do. They were engaging in a genocide and openly conducting ethnic cleansings.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

I did not know there were white fascists out in the open. Seems like socialist left is a lot softer with your ilk.

NovaPrime ,
@NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

Or I’m someone who directly experienced the ethnic cleansing and genocide committed against my people by the the Serbs. I have zero sympathy or tolerance for keyboard warriors and actual fascist apologists when it comes to the subject. Educate yourself first and actually think critically sometime about shit you say (as you claim you do), rather than just repeating the tired, and frankly lazy, “west bad/NATO bad” mantra.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

Ah yes NATO good Serbia/Yugoslavia bad. You can apply the very advice you give to yourself, since you stan for NATO. NATO is the single biggest evil organisation in human history, and USA the biggest terrorist country.

NovaPrime ,
@NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

In the case of the Yugoslavian wars and Serbian aggression against Bosnia, yes, NATO was good and Serbia was bad. Serbia instigated the first genocide on European soil since the Holocaust (caveat: depending on how you classify Armenia geographically) and refused to stop and back off until they were bombed. It wasnt until the bombs started falling on THEIR people and country that they finally stopped. Also, continuing to refer to Serbia as “Yugoslavia” makes me think that either you’ve no idea about what you’re talking when it comes to the Balkans, or are a Serb apologist.

Sharpiemarker ,

Except that one time he ran against the Democrat and got a wannabe dictator elected President. Aside from that.

Ensign_Crab ,

Clinton earned her loss.

ComradeChairmanKGB ,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It was her turn (to lose)

Sorchist ,

I mean, if Trump won and abolished all elections and declared himself dictator for life, then West's chances of being elected president as a third party candidate wouldn't actually change one way or the other.

So maybe being a feckless third party candidate in an authoritarian neofascist dictatorship isn't really that different from being a feckless third party candidate in a constitutional democracy.

Touching_Grass ,

A city in Ontario changed FPTP voting and the following year the provincial government forced them to change back even though the majority favored it.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Damn, fake London actually did something good? I’m sure it’s not the first time that’s happened, but it is the first time I’ve heard of that happening, as a non-Canadian.

But I believe that’s not the first, and won’t be the last, time Ontario has regressively overruled the democratic will for genuinely beneficial change.

nalyd ,

The party of compromise has been working hard to find middle ground and bipartisan support from people who dog whistle to neo nazis. It doesn’t surprise me to hear someone eyeballing the 3rd party route.

Not that I think you’re wrong about the math and who will ultimately win if it becomes a serious thing, I’m just not surprised people are getting heated and stoking some fires.

Zaktor ,

Or just like, compete in a Democratic primary like Bernie did. Maybe don’t shoot for president on your literal first attempt, but you can if you really want to. Bernie was way more successful in promoting his message running in those Democratic primaries than any of the random Greens have ever been.

VolatileExhaustPipe ,

Who do you think is smarter, a leading intellectual, harvard professor and still relevant figure or a kbin poster?

While I don’t prescribe that smarts matter perspective does and my perspective is that it seems you are missing something. Do you think a person critically looking at our system and having spoken with very learned people for decades knows more than you or maybe talks on a different framework? I sure hope you do reflect on that again.

variaatio ,

a 3rd party run to succeed with US style FPtP voting in place

However as 2016 showed it is also impossible for the FPTP lesser of two evils routine to keep kicking the can down the road for ever, you eventually will land on the “bandit” sector on trying to yeat again run the russian roulette of “surely the fear of the greater evil will again make the lesser evil win”.

Since lesser of two evils too long leads to apathy. People won’t be rebelling by voting for Trump, by voting for even Cornel West, they won’t be even really rebelling at all. Instead they will be so disillusioned by decades of lesser of two evil, they will instead sign up for extra shift of work or decade to sleep in bed to rest for a day instead of going voting.

The great enemy of Democrats is not Trump, it is sleeping peoples party and you don’t win against sleeping peoples party with negative campaigning and fear mongering. It will just make them sleep more. Only thing to make them awake is positive campaigning. Likeable, popular, enthusiasm generating candidates and platforms. The message of “no we can make a change” instead of “please help us keep the status guo alive for 4 more years by kicking the can down the road by preventing greater evil for these four years.”

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