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theangriestbird ,
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lol byyyyyye. if he ain’t leaving they should kick him out anyway. i know good electoral politics means coalition-building, but i don’t see the point in building a coalition with people like Manchin and Sinema who seem to share none of the party’s common goals.

BraveSirZaphod ,
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If Manchin didn't exist, not a single piece of Biden's agenda over the past two years would have passed, including things like Justice Jackson joining the Supreme Court.

Yes, he's incredibly annoying, but he's also representing the people of West Virginia, of all places. Would you really prefer a 6-2 Supreme Court? I wouldn't.

FlashMobOfOne ,
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Assuming you’re a wage earner, none of it matters. The Democrats had a supermajority under Obama and all we got for it was more expensive health care, another 500 billion for war every year and a Republican SCOTUS nominee that he didn’t even have the balls to fight for.

We have bipartisanship, and it’s always there for the worst things. The US spending a trillion-plus dollars a year on war is a permanent thing because of bipartisanship. Abortion is no longer a right because of bipartisanship. You can legally be paid $7 an hour for whatever job you do every day because of bipartisanship.

But they’ll make three trillion appear overnight to prop up your investment portfolio, or another trillion appear overnight for a so-called tax cut.

You can pretend someone’s better because they’re in a blue suit, but 40 years of that thinking is why things are never going to get better in this country.

BraveSirZaphod ,
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https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicaid-expansion-has-saved-at-least-19000-lives-new-research-finds

The Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) expansion of Medicaid to low-income adults is preventing thousands of premature deaths each year, a landmark study finds.[1] It saved the lives of at least 19,200 adults aged 55 to 64 over the four-year period from 2014 to 2017. Conversely, 15,600 older adults died prematurely because of state decisions not to expand Medicaid. (See Figure 1; see Table 1 for state-by-state estimates.) The lifesaving impacts of Medicaid expansion are large: an estimated 39 to 64 percent reduction in annual mortality rates for older adults gaining coverage.

I imagine the several thousand people who are not dead might disagree with the assessment that the ACA (which wasn't a particularly bipartisan endeavor, if you care to check the vote count) did nothing but increase insurance costs.

I don't care enough to respond to the rest of that drivel, and I know you have no interest in facts anyway, but for any readers passing by, there are actual facts that you should look up.

AnarchoYeasty ,

Yeah as a type 1 diabetic you can fuck off with that all we got is more expensive healthcare. I never have to be denied because of pre existing conditions thanks to Obama and the democrats. Also we had a super majority for all of 72 days.

FlashMobOfOne ,
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Yeah as a type 1 diabetic you can fuck off with that all we got is more expensive healthcare.

Perhaps, but unless you can absorb being price-gouged, that same system will literally just let you die. You only have access if you can pay for it.

Also, it’s not a secret that many American diabetics are being charged the equivalent of a mortgage payment for their medicine every month, effectively paying rent to occupy their own bodies. Obama could have changed that. The Dems could have changed that.

AnarchoYeasty ,

Guess what. The same thing happened before Obama too. Except then it was happening without insurance because we could get denied for having pre existing health conditions that would prevent us from obtaining insurance in the first place. Seeing as you aren’t a diabetic and don’t have to live this reality, And I am, please kindly take this bull you are spewing and shove it. Because you do not know what it is like at all.

FlashMobOfOne ,
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Seeing as you aren’t a diabetic and don’t have to live this reality, And I am, please kindly take this bull you are spewing

I mean, I pay rent to own my condo every month. I can therefore imagine what it may be like to be charged a mortgage payment to occupy my own body every month, and I find it absolutely infuriating.

It’s surprising to me that you, as a diabetic, apparently don’t. Democrats had the power to change that under Obama and didn’t.

AnarchoYeasty ,

You can keep saying that but no they couldn’t. They held a slim super majority for only 72 working days and that required independents caucusing with them. Lieberman was not on board with those changes and the democrats cut the deal they could with the votes they had. That deal saves fucking lives. Diabetics can get insurance without being tied to a job now. Its expensive now. It was literally impossible to get then. So fuck off with your anti democratic party bullshit and if you think it’s so easy to get these votes to enact this change to get a bunch of progressives elected. Because all you are doing is disuading voters from voting for the only party that has done a fucking thing for the poor and working class. That only helps conservatives who are trying to kill us. You won’t bring about revolution by shit talking the democrats on the Internet and convincing people to not vote. Stop actively harming people with your rhetoric and try actually organizing for a fucking change.

FlowVoid ,

Democrats had a supermajority for only ten months, and in that time they managed to pass a major piece of legislation on a highly controversial topic.

If you expected more than one in that time frame, then you really don’t understand how American politics works.

FlashMobOfOne ,
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Democrats had a supermajority for only ten months

That would Democrats’ campaign slogan if they were honest: We’re not going to do shit. It’s a shame that people can’t eat excuses.

FlowVoid ,

Democrats do plenty, especially at the local level.

The problem is that some voters have barely the attention span necessary to watch an entire TikTok video. They start complaining unless they see something new in their feed every day so they can click “like”.

But that’s not how democracy works, in fact that’s never been how it worked. To take just one example, abortion opponents developed a long term strategy that only came to fruition after several decades.

That’s who you’re up against: people who know how to play the long game. So if you are frustrated by a lack of short term gains, then you aren’t cut out for American politics.

Dominic ,

It was less than 2 months. Franken wasn’t sworn in until July and Kennedy died in August.

EDIT: it’s actually somewhere in the middle. Kennedy’s seat was held by Kirk, a Democratic appointee, from September through February 2010. However, I am fairly certain that Kennedy was basically unable to serve from March until his death in August.

Democrats basically had late September through early February to get anything done without a filibuster.

FlowVoid ,

You’re right about Franken. But Kennedy’s death didn’t immediately end the supermajority, since his temporary replacement was also a Democrat.

LongbottomLeaf , (edited )

That’s what I’m saying. Isn’t this the state of Blair Mountain, John Brown’s Raid, and October Sky?

Where’s the neo Woody Guthrie coal miner’s daughter type looking to run a grass roots campaign on justice for the opiate-pushing and transitioning fossil fuel work to sustainable energy? Someone who wants to bring stable, modern jobs to WV and revitalize it while protecting the natural splendor that tourists seek.

He’s up for reelection in '24. Someone more sensible should primary this lump of coal. Gotta find that person and build that campaign though. And learn from Beto’s mistakes.

FlashMobOfOne ,
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Forget Blair Mountain.

WV is a state of company stores now, because 98% of the people there vote on team color and nothing else.

LOL at the Beto reference though. Didn’t he vote something like 95% with Republicans when he had a seat?

AnarchoYeasty ,

Lmao Blair mountain was 102 years ago my guy. John Brown was 160 years ago. And October Sky is about one dude who became a rocket engineer. So not sure why that was included. You seriously think the political landscape of west Virginia hasn’t changed in the last 100-160 years? You aren’t going to find anyone better than manchin who stands a chance in west Virginia

LongbottomLeaf ,

Fetterman is ‘one dude’. So is Ossoff. So is Warnock. You really think the political landscape of states can’t change?

I’ve sat in the shade of trees older than 160yrs. I’ve got relatives pushing 100 (as is too much of Congress). That amount of time really isn’t that long. Technology may have changed a lot but people are still basically the same.

I think that ‘Manchin is the best we can hope for’ is selling the people of WV short. As evidenced by their history: NASA rocket scientist (from a coal mining family), union fighters, abolitionists. And we certainly won’t flip states like WV with defeatist mindsets.

Also, I’m not your guy, buddy.

AnarchoYeasty ,

One rocket scientist doesn’t mean the entire state is good. I really don’t understand your obsession with thinking west Virginia isn’t a backwater state full of racists.

I mean shit your let’s give them new job training is literally what clinton recommended And that shit was shut down hard by the people of west Virginia. Look at how they vote in every election. It’s delusion to think we can flip them blue.

LongbottomLeaf ,

Who needs the entire state to be good? Who said they were?! 51%. That’s it, that’s all that’s needed. You want to give up and let the Republicans have whatever they want? That’s on you. I’m not giving up so easily.

AnarchoYeasty ,

You are right. We do need 51%. In 2020 there was a 65% turnout and Biden got just under 30%. Even if every one of the 35% of west Virginians who didn’t vote were secret libs he still wouldn’t have won. But hey. Good luck winning a statewide election with just under 30% of the voters on your side. Also are you on the ground in wva working with a progressive candidate? Because if not then you have given up and all your doing is complaining that the Dems aren’t doing enough.

LongbottomLeaf ,

I’m not interested in running Joe Biden for senator of WV. See my initial comment for the type of candidate I believe could run a competitive race for Manchin’s seat.

Also, your math doesn’t check out.

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