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RoryButlerMusic ,

I have a public service job.

Canā€™t afford to live, get shouted at by callers irrelevant to my role each day just cos I am at a phone, canā€™t work from home despite the whole organisation doing so, higher paid people throw their workload at me cos they donā€™t want to do it.

Feels no different from when i was in the private sector really.

GBU_28 ,

No offense due but I hope youā€™re interviewing

RoryButlerMusic ,

Looking, not much on the market right now, but itā€™s a process I suppose!

atetulo ,

Canā€™t afford to live

At what quality of life?

I find it hard to believe you have a public service job that canā€™t pay for your peanut butter sandwiches and basic vegetables to stay alive.

kofe ,

Lol damn, God forbid someone want more out of life than scraping by getting basic needs barely met. Iā€™ve been looking around while in school, and plenty of jobs are still paying $15-19/hr. That is barely enough to get by, depending where you live and rent may not even be enough, let alone take a vacation once a year or even think of raising a family.

atetulo ,

What do you mean? You used the word ā€˜needā€™ and now youā€™re changing it to ā€˜wants.ā€™

Why not just use the proper terminology in the first place? Why are you conflating needs with wants?

kofe ,

Itā€™s both. Humans need breaks, vacations, etc. I may want to take a vacation to South America but would settle for somewhere North, though.

atetulo ,

Humans need breaks, vacations, etc.

Woah woah woah. Breaks and vacations are very different things.

Itā€™s funny watching you people conflate needs and wants just like breaks and vacations, lol.

You really need to brush up on your vocabulary!

TheBeege ,

Youā€™re arguing semantics while the intention is clear. Quit being pedantic.

In our parentsā€™ generationā€™s time, a public service job could fund a house, two kids, and annual vacations. We want that, or even more since weā€™re significantly more productive since those days. A job used to give us needs and a good amount of wants. Conflating the two in this context, while not perfectly precise, is irrelevant.

atetulo , (edited )

Needs and wants are different things and should be described as such.

TheBeege , (edited )

If Iā€™m talking about liking red cars then point to a car, and you say, ā€œthatā€™s not red, thatā€™s mauve,ā€ youā€™re being an ass.

If weā€™re shopping for paint together, and i say ā€œi like this red,ā€ and you reply, ā€œi think thatā€™s mauve,ā€ youā€™re trying to be specific in our communication about a common task.

Right now, weā€™re talking about cars. Chill out

atetulo ,

What are you talking about?

Needs and wants are not like colors, lol. What a terrible analogy that only a moron would take seriously.

Youā€™re putting yourself through mental gymnastics to try and change the meanings of words to suit your agenda.

Iā€™m gonna block you now. I can tell people like you arenā€™t worth dealing with.

kofe ,

Please do explain the difference, then, between why breaks are necessary but vacations shouldnā€™t be? You do realize study after study shows that 24-30 hour work weeks provide the most productivity? That family leave, healthcare, paid time off etc is associated with the happiest citizens? Is increased well-being not necessary in your worldview?

atetulo ,

between why breaks are necessary but vacations shouldnā€™t be?

One is literally necessary for survival while the other isnā€™t. This is the difference between a ā€˜needā€™ and a ā€˜want.ā€™

Is increased well-being not necessary in your worldview?

Considering how many people are able to live a significantly lower quality of life than what youā€™re advocating for, no. Itā€™s not a ā€˜need.ā€™ Itā€™s a ā€˜want.ā€™ Thereā€™s no limit to ā€˜increased well being.ā€™ There is a limit to what the human body can take before it can no longer go on living.

Might want to brush up on your vocabulary. This is a pretty simple concept that even 2nd graders have no problem understanding.

kofe ,

Yeah, second graders get longer vacations than I do, interesting ainā€™t it. Maybe you need one cuz your brain seems to be working overtime to justify people suffering.

atetulo ,

Iā€™m not justifying anyone suffering.

Iā€™m educating adults on the difference between needs and wants because they have the vocabulary of a pre-schooler.

Apparently the reading comprehension, too. Lol.

kofe ,

Keep insulting people that are suffering, really must do you a lot of favors when youā€™re talking to someone in person.

atetulo ,

Man, you just donā€™t quit do you.

Gonna block you now. You clearly need more life experience to be taken seriously. Lol.

kofe ,

I need a vacation, you might say? Or do you need me to work hard enough by your standards to earn it? You havenā€™t even seen my resume. Sorry you canā€™t handle criticism.

RoryButlerMusic ,

The wording was a tad dramatic.

I can afford to eat. But I canā€™t afford housing and any enjoyment comes with guilt from knowing itll have a knock on effect to my finances. Iā€™m living with a parent (who similarly struggles to pay bills)

Itā€™s more a case of finding it hard to hit the bills and not being able to see a future where Iā€™m comfortable.

Iā€™d say itā€™s mostly due to the cost of living rather than the pay. 10 years ago Iā€™d be doing quite well, but the pay grades havenā€™t changed to meet inflation or accommodate for the high cost of living.

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