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Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in The Perception Paradox: Men Who Hate Feminists Think Feminists Hate Men

Yeah but not enough of the "real feminists" call them out.

It's like that saying, if there's one bad cop sitting at a table with 3 other cops, then there's 4 bad cops sitting at the table.

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Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

And then we abandoned it to the Andrew Tates of the world. Because it threatened feminist moral supremacy.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

Which is why you should choose your affiliations carefully, especially for a fledgling movement that is still finding its ideological footing. I think men's lib is something that should be seen as closely aligned with, but distinct from, feminism.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in What is the Triad of Male Violence and how does violence manifest against oneself

What is gender if we don't have a societal idea of gender? Is it nothing? The existence of trans people suggests that many, probably most of us, have an innate yearning for at least a loose idea of gender identity.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

I don't want to be part of the feminist movement because I vehemently disagree with some of the things feminists do. I don't want us to be called to task for those things, or have to explain them or implicitly support them. I don't want to have to say "we" when talking about feminist theories or actions.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

I disagree. I think progress is largely made at the ballot box and on the airwaves. Academic feminists are not scientists in a lab discovering new things. They're also not leaders of the movement. They're just academics. Over time, some academic points do filter to the broader movement but it's a trickle compared to the action of everyday feminists.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

That "pretty much" is huge imo. It gives us wiggle room to disagree without also attempting to win the rest of feminism over to our side.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in What is the Triad of Male Violence and how does violence manifest against oneself

That's fair. At points in the article, I was thinking "duh" but that may not be true for everyone. Perhaps I'm just not the audience.

What do you think an alternative to traditional masculinity might look like?

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

Academic feminism, much like any other "-ism", has little connection to real life and what everyday adherents of the "-ism" believe or do.

I don't factor academic feminism into my thinking at all, because it's so far removed from today's reality on the ground. Feminism is what the majority of feminists make it.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in What is the Triad of Male Violence and how does violence manifest against oneself

I haven't fully read the article, but just from skimming it, it doesn't really present any solutions, does it? Just "stop being traditionally masculine bro". That's not terribly helpful.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

I like "feminist adjacent community for men". I'm a fan of that.

I don't like "feminist community for men".

95% of the time, anyone concerned with men's struggles should agree with feminist takes.

I just don't want us to be beholden to the 5%.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

Words matter.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in "a feminist community for men" doesn't sound very liberating

The reason I'm not a feminist is because while feminism says it advocates for equal rights for women, in actuality it's advocating for more power for women.

When women are unfairly discriminated against (which is most of the time), fighting for more power for women is equivalent in outcome to fighting for equal rights. But in those situations where men get the short end of the stick, feminism is supremely unconcerned.

Feminism is not concerned with equality. It is concerned with better outcomes for women. It's a subtle but important difference. And it means it's an ideology that as a man I can mostly support but cannot subscribe to. Feminism does not care that the vast majority of workplace deaths are men. Feminism does not care that boys are failing school at unprecedented rates. It's not their issue, and that's fine, but don't pretend feminism is for everyone. BLM is sympathetic to Indian rights movements but it is not their issue. LGBT+ groups are sympathetic to unions but it is not their issue.

My struggles as a man are not feminism's issue. And that's fine. But we shouldn't pretend otherwise. We need our own group, separate from feminism.

Cryophilia , to Men's Liberation in In the age of relentless online pornography, chatrooms, sexting and smartphones, the way teenage boys learn about relationships has changed dramatically

Okay this whole "sex bad" thing has got to stop, I'm getting sick of it. I thought we were moving past ignorance like that.

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