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RandoCalrandian , (edited ) to men in The expectation society (men & women) has of men to approach and initiate an interaction is the reason women feel unsafe when a man does approach
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are you suggesting i'm in a relationship with all the random women (and/or people) you're expecting me to do emotional labor on their behalf of? No?

So how is that point relevant at all? (hint: It's not, you know it's not, this is whataboutism trying to change the field of the discussion to a place where you feel you can 'defend' better, and it's really annoying to watch and extremely obvious)

And the point isn't feeling unsafe, the point is the double standard of women expecting men they don't know and do not intend to know to mind read and handle any possible negative emotion of any woman at any time, which is a far different standard than what you just tried to come back with.

RandoCalrandian , (edited ) to men in The expectation society (men & women) has of men to approach and initiate an interaction is the reason women feel unsafe when a man does approach
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Why do you assume I would think women should be held to a different standard?

Mostly the part where i don't see you in women's forums telling them to make themselves responsible for the irrational fears/emotions of men in their lives.

Instead you are here, lecturing men about it, despite men being more at risk walking alone at night than any other demographic.

Also, it’s not clear to me what you gain from people feeling unsafe around you? Except you maybe live in a sketchy area. Isn’t it just nice when everyone feels safe?

I'm not sure what you'd gain from not immediately emptying your wallet and giving me all your money. There is risk involved in not, you don't know what the asker might do, so why not just do the effort others want you to do?

And no one is bending over backwards to make men feel safe, we're expected to make ourselves feel safe. The double standard is very much the problem, and i'm not going to exert effort on another's behalf until they are exerting effort on mine. Been burned quite a few too many times by people playing the "oh well if you don't do it first, it will never happen!" card while never intending to reciprocate and wanting the lopsided situation to be the status quo.

RandoCalrandian , to men in The expectation society (men & women) has of men to approach and initiate an interaction is the reason women feel unsafe when a man does approach
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How about not expecting other people to handle your emotions for you, and do it yourself like a grown up?

Also how about we hold women to that standard as well.

RandoCalrandian , to men in The expectation society (men & women) has of men to approach and initiate an interaction is the reason women feel unsafe when a man does approach
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  • RandoCalrandian , to men in The expectation society (men & women) has of men to approach and initiate an interaction is the reason women feel unsafe when a man does approach
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    It's not hard to make women feel safe. It's not rocket science.

    It’s also not mens responsibility to make women feel safe.

    Just like women aren’t responsible for making men feel safe no matter what baggage that man has with women.

    Saying men should exert any effort whatsoever towards women’s safety is like saying women are should be making up for every negative thing a woman did in a man’s life when she meets him.

    It’s wrong and unreasonable in both cases, and we shouldn’t cater to the sexist idea that men should be doing things for women that women absolutely won’t and don’t do en mass for men

    RandoCalrandian , to men in UK: Abused partners who kill their partner to get lighter sentences under Sally's law
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    Oh great, another incentive for women to lie about abuse. This edition protects murderers!

    RandoCalrandian , to men in People in the mainstream should stop saying "Toxic Masculinity", "Patriarchy", and yes, even "Feminism"
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    Would you mind unbanning mine? The use of the term 'dipshit' was highly relevant, as intended insult to the audience was very much the topic of conversation

    RandoCalrandian , to men in People in the mainstream should stop saying "Toxic Masculinity", "Patriarchy", and yes, even "Feminism"
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    you ignore them by describing them as "hurt feelings" when it's far more impactful than that

    RandoCalrandian , to men in People in the mainstream should stop saying "Toxic Masculinity", "Patriarchy", and yes, even "Feminism"
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    apparently to OP that counts as "hurt feelings". Anything we don't like for any reason counts as "hurt feelings" under that definition.

    Completely ignoring the real life sexist impact these statements have.

    RandoCalrandian , to men in People in the mainstream should stop saying "Toxic Masculinity", "Patriarchy", and yes, even "Feminism"
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    Have you ever considered it's you who are wrong, and not all these men you keep throwing names and adjectives at when they don't agree with you?

    Yes, saying "toxic masculinity" is sexist as fuck, and we should use a different term. Your projection of hurt feelings onto your audience is what makes your advice shit, tho. It's wrong to use because it's intentionally insulting and sexist, not because it makes men feel bad.

    "Patriarchy" we should absolutely keep talking about, because it's a very popular brainwashing tool to convince people that all problems in the world are the fault of the class of men, and specifically not the fault of anyone not in the class of men, don't you even dare think women might be at fault for something! -- but seriously, it's a psyop so that feminists have an excuse for their bigotry, and we should keep mocking the term to point that out.

    "Feminism" we should absolutely keep using, because "Say Gender equality or egalitarian" is for people who actual give a shit about equality, and that's not feminists. This one your post mostly agrees with, but i don't think you take it quite far enough. Letting most feminists "rebrand" into egalitarianism will just make egalitarianism the same sexist dumpster fire. It's like suggesting most KKK members move to an "equality for all races" movement and pretending that stops the problem. It's not that feminists needed to change their terminology, it's that they needed to realize they were, are, and are actively saying they will continue to be misandric sexist pieces of shit in just about everything they say and do.


    As for why you get pushback saying these things, it's very clearly because you presume to tell men what they are and should be feeling, which is the same bullshit gynocentric attitude that led men to be subject to this nonsense in the first place.

    RandoCalrandian , to men in Men do not seem like they are proud to be men, and this is detrimental to their mental health. We need to celebrate men instead of demonizing them.
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    That’s bullshit

    In no way we’re women more socially constrained than men, at any point in history

    Simply look at all the male deaths. You’re putting that against your perception that women weren’t allowed to leave the kitchen (which is wrong) and just completely dismissing all of the far, far worse and more burdensome things men were expected to do under threat of violence and death

    RandoCalrandian , to men in Men do not seem like they are proud to be men, and this is detrimental to their mental health. We need to celebrate men instead of demonizing them.
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    Apex fallacy and basically patriarchy theory, which we know to be wrong

    A very few men had power in the past, as did a few women. To blame men as a whole is the same shaming bullshit that you justify lgbt people having pride for, contradicting your whole point.

    RandoCalrandian , to men in The Crisis Over American Manhood Is Really Code for Something Else
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    That’s because “manhood” and “masculinity” were code for “acts the way I want, and not making their own life choices in any way contrary to what I want”

    So the conversation is more like:

    the way men used to be beaten into behaving like doesn’t work for me, but I want to continue to beat men into a ‘shape’, just one I like. We need a new ‘manhood’ because I still want to be an abusive sexist piece of shit, while also benefiting from that abuse. Someone come up with an ‘ideal man’ image so my abuse of these boys doesn’t come back to bite me later

    It’s just trying to continue to be sexist, while not giving men power or competency

    RandoCalrandian , to men in No distinction between male and female rape says Northern Ireland judge as woman is jailed for raping a man
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    Great! Now she can chill in a not as violent cage for not as long as a man would! progress!

    RandoCalrandian , to men in No distinction between male and female rape says Northern Ireland judge as woman is jailed for raping a man
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    Agreed, this decision will be challenged

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