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Anyone else out there who actually really loved Discovery's S1 style of Klingons?

I am the kind of person who enjoys “big weird” scifi like Stanisław Lem. Stories about trying to relate to and find common ground with something so alien that the prospect of even understanding is basically hopeless. Star Trek usually doesn’t do stories that, which makes sense as it often uses alien races as allegories or...

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I very much enjoyed that in season one, each Klingon house had their own uniform, and customs. In the TNG era there is a uniformity to the Klingons, which flattens them to monoculture. Even the simple touches of having House Mo’Kai engage in facial scarification, or House Kor wear war paint implies an expansion to their culture that makes me far more interested in them.

Also, I’ve always enjoyed the scheming Klingons, like the ones we see in TOS, or the Duras Sisters, so Kol really appealed to me as an antagonist.

The new prosthetic seemed like a natural progression of what we saw from TOS, to TMP, to “The Search for Spock” and TNG. I do think the decision to make them all bald in season one was a miss, but it’s otherwise a good design that effectively communicates the ferocity the species is supposed to have.

I wonder if they wanted them to all be bald if it wouldn’t have made more sense to have T’Kuvma’s followers be bald, and the others that arrive after he lights the beacon engage in tonsure once T’Kuvma becomes a martyr.

Oh, and the elongated craniums on the women was also an odd choice that I’m glad was walked back for season two.

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Not to mention the augment virus does not account for why the Excalbian recreation of Kahless in “The Savage Curtain” was still a TOS era Klingon.

It really is the most flimsy plot and, as you say, completely unnecessary.

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Who actually wears badges and pins in North America however unless they are usable in cosplay?

I have a bunch of pins on various bags. I don’t like the Fansets ones that much, though.

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Yeah, most of my pins are from various podcasts.

I do have a couple vegan pins, and until it sadly fell off, I did have a COVID-19 Vaccinated pin designed to look like the Ninja Turtles logo. Those are the most political things I generally wear.

Star Trek series as metaphors for government?

Greetings, fellow space explorers! As we continue our journey through the vast expanse of the cosmos, let us take a moment to reflect on the various governments depicted in the Star Trek franchise. From the classic monarchy system of TOS, to the anarchist government of TAS, these series serve as powerful metaphors for the...

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I’m not sure I follow the central thesis of what you’re trying to articulate here.

Are you saying that the way the ships function is similar to the government model you’ve assigned them? Or that most of the cultures the ships encounter follow those models?

Are you able to give some actual examples from the shows demonstrating that the comparison holds true over the multiple seasons each iteration of Trek had, or anything at all to support your claim?

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I was actually saying this is the way the ships function on each series based on the analogies given previously.

Okay, well that’s patently ridiculous. How is Kirk’s Enterprise a monarchy in TOS, but an anarchy in TAS? How does the Discovery crew function as a dystopian society, especially in seasons two and three? Where is your evidence that the NX-01 is a military dictatorship? How is the crew of Deep Space 9 a communist society, but Voyager’s crew are capitalistic?

Where is your supporting evidence for any of this?

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Oh dang, it’s the macrovirus from that one VOY episode!

LDecks, you never fail to completely delight me.

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Buddy, are you trying to make me pull an extra-ocular muscle from how hard my eyes just rolled?

If you like one aspect of the franchise you don’t need to whine about another not being to your taste to express that. I don’t shit on ENT every time I want to talk about DS9.

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Thanks!

When I decided to sign up a new account on reddit to talk about Trek, I asked myself what thing I could think of that people would want to see, and the answer was a Starfleet operated Tex-Mex food truck. So far the username has served me well.

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Obviously people can say whatever they want, but I personally don’t see any value in dragging something down when instead I could be lifting the thing I do like up. Like, imagine going in to the job at the end of the week and saying, “Hell yeah, I love Fridays!” and some sad sack co-worker is all, “Yeah, but don’t you just hate Mondays?” Buddy, why? What would be the point in being so negative, when instead you could be positive?

Or, let’s give another example: I personally think “Picard” was a bad television series, which started out kind of a mess, and got worse with every season. I know other people really enjoyed season three, but I think it is the single worse season of Trek, and it’s not even a contest. Now, imagine if every time someone made a post praising, some other series or new episode, I jumped in with, “Yeah, at least this one was better than season three of PIC.” What am I actually contributing to the conversation?

Furthermore, I don’t consider, “This doesn’t feel like [X],” to actually be criticism. Critique is detailed analysis. “I don’t like this because it’s not what I want it to be,” is just whining. Critique is an important aspect of art, but too many people confuse their hot takes as valid criticism. You brought up Shives, and while he and I disagree on a lot of things – and agree on others – regarding Trek, I would never say that he is not detailed in his videos. Biased, sure, but we all are. I can’t speak to the specific example you gave, but I know that at least in his scripted videos he generally isn’t dropping hot takes like that. Sometimes they make their way into his more off the cuff unscripted videos, but I would be staggered if he’s ever released something that was solely focused on saying one show is good because it isn’t as bad as another show he dislikes.

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Who would win: 56 years of Star Trek continuity, or one silicon based boi?

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Day of Blood starts out pretty strong. By which I mean there is a rollcall page featuring the main characters of both “Star Trek” and “Star Trek: Defiant”, and on it we learn that Shaxs once punched a Gorn so hard it exploded.

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Hell yeah, he did.

Anyways! It’s the big Summer crossover event. The crews of the USS Theseus and USS Defiant come together despite their (extremely flimsy) antipathy for the big showdown with clone Emperor Kahless. It’s fun to see the two crews interact for the first time since Worf left the Theseus. We got Tom and B’Elanna reuniting. We got Data and Lore. We got Shaxs and Ro. We…got Lili Sato and the Orion drug-dealer/medic, I guess. We got Doctor Crusher telling everyone to put their collective bullshit to the side and get ready to save Qo’noS. One thing that stood out to me is that T’Lir tells Spock they only know him by reputation, but early in “Star Trek” T’Lir claimed they met Spock as a child. Of course, T’Lir would not want Spock to know they’d met before, because T’Lir is actually Trelene, and if they’re not I will it a tricorder toy.

Also, these comics might as well be called “Star Trek: Fanservice”, but there’s a moment featuring

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that I was not expecting, and was great.

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I’ve been reading the ones that catch my eye for a while now, but the current books involved in this crossover are what really got me from guy who likes both Trek and comics to being interested in actually following Trek comics.

They’re just such blatant fan service in a way that does not feel at all cynical. Big fun.

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• Spock shows up wearing a toque to cover his rounded ears and eyebrows. In TOS Spock used a toque to hide his pointed ears in “City on the Edge of Forever”, “Bread and Circuses”, and “Patterns of Force”.

• The delta on Spock’s toque is flipped backwards, perhaps implying that he hastily adhered it to the cap himself.

• The V’Shal dinner appears to be a series of petty tests intended to determine the fitness of both individuals in a Vulcan relationship to join the other’s family, as determined by their parents. In “You Are Cordially Invited” the Lady Sirella put Jadzia through a similar ordeal before she could marry Worf and join the House of Martok.

• It is worth noting that we learned in “Amok Time” that Spock and T’Pring were not just betrothed to one another, but psychically linked as children by arrangement between their families.

”Plus you aren’t a practiced liar.” Spock lies all the damn time.

• The traditional Vulcan teapot has Vulcan script on it that appears to be composed of a fan-made alphabet based on what was seen on screen. Part of the lettering reads ”J O I N E D T O G E T H E R.”

• T’Pring’s ring looks very similar to one the character wears in “Amok Time”.

• This is the first time T’Pril and Sevet have been seen on screen. Perhaps not surprisingly given the events that unfold, they were not in attendance for the Koon-ut-kal-if-fee in “Amok Time”.

• Captain Pike has apparently offered the use of his quarters for the V’Shal dinner. In “Spock Amok” T’Pring noted that Spock’s quarters were too human.

• Pike’s wrap tunic is not the same one he wore in “A Quality of Mercy”. That one had leather for the yoke and outer sleeves, where as this one does not. It does, however, add white piping parallel to the edge of the closure.

• Kirk wore three different wrap tunics during the course of TOS.

• Pike claims the Enterprise ”runs at a hotter temperature than a typical Vulcan kitchen.” Vulcan is notably a hot world, so much so that it is uncomfortable for humans. Apparently they take pains to keep their kitchens cool.

• On one of the Cervantes’ displays we see a map of the Vulcan system, and series motion graphics designer shared the map to his twitter account. It confirms the long held theory that Vulcan shares its orbit with another planet, and names that world T’Khut. We also learn that Vulcan has two other stars in the system, 40 Eridani B and 40 Eridani C, which orbit around the primary, 40 Eridani A.

• We know from another display, that Kerkhov is a Class-J planet orbiting Eridani C.

• No indication on the map of where Delta Vega is.

• When Ortegas suggest contacting the Enterprise, Uhura claims she can’t reach anything more than a light year away with all the interference. The diameter of our solar system is about .00127 light years.

• Restored, Spock is able to mind meld with Amanda to complete the V’shal ritual. In “Dagger of the Mind” Spock tells Bones he had never melded with a human before, and that it could be dangerous to do so. Of course, he also melded with Gabrielle Burnham prior to this, as seen in “Perpetual Infinity”.

• The memory Amanda shares with Spock is of the first time Vulcan children asked him to play with them. In “Yesteryear” we saw that other Vulcans bullied Spock as a child, specifically claiming that by marrying Amanda, Sarek brought shame to Vulcan.

• Spock’s reaction to T’Pril referring to Amanda as a ”handicap” echoes Kelvin timeline Spock’s reaction when the ministers of the Vulcan Science Academy called Kelvin timeline Amanda a ”disadvantage,” resulting in his refusing admission to the Academy.

”We have shared katras.” T’Pring is referring to the events of “Spock Amok”.

• T’Pring and Spock decide to take time apart, but we know this isn’t permanent, as they are still involved in “Amok Time”.

• Of course, in “Amok Time” Chapel is surprised to when Spock reveals to the bridge crew that T’Pring is his wife. That is the first time she says to Spock, “I don’t know. Shut up.”

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It was necessary to save all organic life in the galaxy!

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Well, I did list all those instances from the TOS era where they explicitly didn’t use money, so you can draw your own conclusions.

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I have no problem with this solution. See for example, the other Paris.

There are plenty of examples of cities in different countries, or even different territories in the same country having the same name. I feel like it’s different when we’re talking about a planet.

There’s a tendency to treat every alien race as a monoculture, but maybe Spock and T’Pol just came from different parts of Vulcan.

That tendency is built into Trek, for good or ill, and I would say it even applies to humans.

I actually kind of assumed that it might have been facon. While I can see the Enterprise growing real plants on its five year mission (hence Pike’s preference of real herbs), I can’t see it breeding real pigs.

In “Charlie X” Kirk does say to the galley chef, “On Earth today, it’s Thanksgiving. If the crew has to eat synthetic meat loaf, I want it to look like turkey,” which would seem to imply that in this era fake meat is not outside the norm. The question is though, is Pike such a foodie that he would throw his weight around be certain that there is a supply of real bacon on the ship for him to use vs. whatever’s coming out of the food synthesizers.

And there’s a whole other debate to be had about whether or not replicated meat would qualify as plant based which I don’t feel like the body of the post is the appropriate place to get into it. My personal opinion is that replicated meats would still not be suitable for a vegan diet, because at some point there was an original source that the replicator pattern must have been based upon.

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I feel like at this point, it’s too early to trust Pelia as a reliable source of information.

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You’re not wrong, but you ever try to argue with an older person who’s convinced of some nonsense because they got sucked down a facebook conspiracy theory rabbit hole? Sometimes you have to choose your battles, and I imagine La’an’s battle at that moment was trying to ascertain if Pelia actually rightfully owned all of those artifacts, and not whether or not the Federation is putting chemicals in the food slots to turn children into genderless energy beings or whatever.

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Logical.

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No. We find out in “Bar Association” that the station doesn’t charge Quark rent, and hasn’t since the Federation took over administration duties on behalf of the Bajoran Provisional government, however in season two’s “Armageddon Game”, when it is believed that Doctor Bashir and O’Brien are dead, Quark toasts them by saying, “We may have had our differences, but I’ll say this for them, and it’s no higher tribute I can think of: they were good customers. They always paid their bar bills on time.”

Notably he specifies that Bashir and O’Brien paid their bills, not the Federation or Starfleet paid on their behalf. Now, maybe Starfleet officers serving on DS9 or other places where the civilization still use a form of currency have access to an account that Starfleet is takes care of everything, but based on the language Quark uses it does seem like Bashir and O’Brien were the ones making sure the money got put into Quark’s hands.

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In that case, this episode needs another appearance of Runa Ewok.

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Your opinions will never be removed from the community.

So, if someone was to make the claim that in the episode “Patterns of Force”, John Gill was objectively right to introduce the planet Ekos to the fascist thought modelled on Nazi Germany because National Socialism is, as he theorized, the most efficient form of government, and the fact that the Zeons ended up persecuted and were to be victims of genocide is not only acceptable, but right and good considering who they were allegory for, that would be a welcome opinion in your community?

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You didn’t answer the question.

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That’s pretty wack.

I will say right here and now, without hesitation or equivocation, anyone engaging in bigotry in this community will have their posts comments/removed, and they will very likely be banned.

No one is going to be banned for their opinion that any particular iteration of Star Trek, new or old, isn’t very good though. That would be silly.

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I didn’t say posts wouldn’t be removed, I said no one was going to be banned.

There are still community guidelines which need to be met, including a requirement that criticism be constructive. It’s literally Rule #1 on the sidebar. Just dashing off some spicy take and not elaborating further doesn’t clear that low bar, but for people for whom that’s the sort of communication that they’re looking for, it sounds as though your community would be right up their alley.

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Be Constructive is too subjective to be the number one rule.

We teach children the basics of critique in junior high English classes. Or at least I assume they still do; it’s been a grip.

Discovery is terrible because it is too far removed from Gene’s vision.

To me that’s a valid point and constructive because it gives a reason I think it’s terrible.

That’s not criticism, that’s a thought terminating cliché which leaves no room for discussion of the relative merits of Disco because of some nebulous ideas you’re assuming a dead man had.

Do you similarly believe that “The Undiscovered Country” is terrible? William Shatner has claimed that Roddenberry saw the film two days before his passing, and after telling everyone it was good went home and phoned his lawyer, demanding that they remove many of the movie’s more militaristic elements.

According to Marina Sirtis, Gene Roddenberry would have hated DS9, and said “No” when the idea was presented to him. Rick Berman has disputed that, but Berman’s accounts of how much Roddenberry was aware of even the initial pitch and character sketches have varied considerably over the years.

It isn’t very Starfleet of you.

Is it particularly Starfleet of you to complain about things being “woke” as I see you did in another comment?

Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Disco is simply another combination of the elements that make Trek. It doesn’t have to be to anyone’s particular tastes.

Star Trek: Adventures — Captain's Log: My first impressions

Hello, all! Several days ago, one of you fine Lemmings posted a link to the new solo-oriented edition of Star Trek: Adventures. As one does, I immediately bought it and read the entire 300-some-odd pages. Lol. If anyone else was considering doing so, or is even remotely curious about it, here are my first impressions and a...

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Great write up, I really appreciate seeing this.

I’ve been running an STA campaign for a group for almost two years now – wild to think about, usually I get GM burnout after about six months – and I’ve been curious about picking this up since the announcement. Both for myself, and as a potential aid for creating on the fly scenes for my group. All those tables you mention do hold a lot of a appeal.

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Star Trek is a pretty good conclusion to the second story arc. I certainly was not expecting Sisko’s trial to end the way it did. Garak gets a really good line.

I was pretty sure they were finally going to reveal what’s going on with T’Lir when they were in contact with the Prophets. Their use line about the Bajoran Orbs being weapons given to children did nothing to convince me that T’Lir is not actually Trelene though, which has been my theory since issue three.

Shaxs ruled.

Really looking forward to seeing what completely bonkers nonsense they do with the Day of Blood crossover next month.

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I haven’t read it yet – Guggenheim’s work generally doesn’t do much for me – but I suppose I should catch up this weekend.

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After catching up on Echoes, I can say with some confidence that this isn’t the book for me. Marc Guggenheim has never been a writer I’ve been a fan of, and Oleg Chudakov’s art isn’t really a selling feature either. All the characters looked as though they were drawn based off a description alone, and the fact that everyone is wearing TMP uniforms makes them difficult to distinguish from one another. I feel like I should be able to tell if a character is supposed to be Bones or Kirk just by looking at them.

Anyways, with regards to issue three specifically, the story seems fine. Alternate universe Chekov – who doesn’t have the accent that Guggenheim painfully writes into prime Chekov’s dialog, and is named Luthor Akris despite the fact that alternate Uhura is still Nyota Uhura – is negotiating with the Romulans, and is clearly outsmarting them, for access to their technology in exchange for his Bajoran orb doomsday weapon. Alternate Uhura goes off mission to try and kill Akris, and prime Chekov gets shot in the process, but Sulu, and alternate Uhura are able get him on Akris’ ship to escape back to the Enterprise outside Romulan territory, leaving Kirk and prime Uhura behind.

The solicitation copy claimed that Spock and Bones were going to devise a plan to save everyone, but all they actually do is Spock gives Bones shit for wanting to retire, claiming every life lost because he wasn’t there to save them is his fault. Once Sulu and alternate Uhura get Chekov back to the ship, Bones is able to sew Chekov back up, but he losses a bunch of blood, and wouldn’t you know it, he has a rare condition where he can only get a blood transfusion from an exact genetic match, and the reason they don’t have any of his blood already on board is because this is just a shakedown cruise where they never expected to see any action.

I am pot committed to finishing this story now, but it is definitely not as fun as the other Trek comics currently being released.

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Is that the price from their .net store or the .us one? The .us is still $25 shipping to my location in Canada. Not great, but still cheaper if you don’t have a local game store that will order it in for you.

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Yeah, if you have a local store that can get it in from one of their distributors, it will save you the shipping costs, and you’ll be supporting a local game shop. Also, Modiphius is pretty great about getting you a pdf copy if you buy a physical copy and email them a photo of the receipt.

Canon Connections: Strange New Worlds 2x04 - Among the Lotus Eaters

• The title refers to the Homer’s “Odyssey” when Odysseus’ voyage reached the land of the Lotus-eaters. These people’s primary food source was the fruit and flowers of the lotus, which was powerfully narcotic, and caused those of Homer’s crew who ate it to forget their desire to return home....

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Just a heads up, I’ve altered the formatting on this post, because I didn’t like the way the lists were appearing when viewed on mobile. Everything is looking good on my end, but if something appears jacked up to you, please let me know so I can attempt to fix it.

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And IIRC it was introduced as being a relatively modern innovation in UX. So that’s a continuity break.

Only implicitly. In “Encounter at Farpoint” the obvious implication is that the computer being able to pinpoint a crew person is new functionality; the ensign says, *“You must be new to these Galaxy-class starships, sir,” and then gets the computer to tell her the exact location of Data, at which point it begins showing the route. However, it’s never explicitly said that the computer’s ability to direct someone to a location is new to the Galaxy-class, so it’s definitely not a canon break, and is at worst a bit of a mild bending.

Really, do you want the Enterprise to have less functionality than the smart lights in someone’s home?

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“The Cage” only aired because of the writer’s strike at the time, and “The Menagerie” episodes recuts to the ending of “The Cage” into the ending to be completely different, which is then reinforced by Vina’s appearance in “If Memory Serves”. Personally, I think the only things that are canon in “The Cage” are the scenes we see in “The Menagerie” two parter. Which, to be fair, is most of it.

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Thanks!

You’re right that bit is a table. Not really sure what I can do so that it appears correctly with Kbin.

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In Beta canon material, Illyrians are supposed to be fairly enlightened, on the same level as Vulcans, and Una was raised by Illyrians. I could see that iteration of Number One finding it fairly easy to forgive Captain Batel, understanding that she was just doing her job, and being able to see past any personal feelings of resentment.

But so far as SNW is concerned, the Illyrians seem to just be the X-Men, so I don’t even know.

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I would have to assume that Number One was arrested fairly quickly after she leaked the information about herself. All things considered, it doesn’t seem like the sort of thing Starfleet was willing to just sit on.

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“The Trouble With Edward” is canon, but Gene Roddenberry himself could descend from the heavens on the back of Kukulkan with Jeffery Combs riding shotgun to tell me that the Tribbles cereal commercial is canon, and my response would be, “Okay, but is it though?”

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I think Number One is supposed to be Pike’s friend and confidant, similar to Sisko and Dax’s relationship in DS9.

Who else is he going to confide in on this matter. Spock giving Pike relationship advice would be pretty wack.

Spock: Captain, I could not help but notice that the USS Cayuga warped away sooner than expected given your relationship with Captain Batel. The crew assumed you would want some “alone time” as ensign Uhura put it. I will not repeat what lieutenant Ortegas said.
Pike: Wait, you guys talk about my love life on the bridge?
Spock: Indeed. It is a matter of some interest.
Pike: Okay, I’m not exactly comfortable with that.
Spock: Captain, if you and Captain Batel are experiencing…difficulties, I would be happy to demonstrate some neuro-pressure massage techniques which can be quite stimulating. T’Pring has said I am particularly skilled, and as you are aware, Vulcans cannot lie.
Pike: Okay, now I’m really uncomfortable with this.

I suppose Doctor M’Benga could sub in as confidant instead.

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The first episode of the season had Spock discussing with Doctor M’Benga the fact that embracing his anger to help him fight the Gorn last season in “All Those Who Wander” broke down his mental conditioning. It’s also been shown in three of four recaps at the beginning of episodes this season. I would assume they’re building towards something.

As for Spock “never” having emotions, I’d suggest rewatching some TOS. His wry enjoyment when Uhura teases him with her song in “Charlie X”, his outburst at seeing Kirk alive at the end of “Amok Time”, and just how ridiculously horny he is in “The Cloud Minders” all come to mind, never mind those instances when he’s affected by some outside force suppressing his conditioning.

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