True, but if someone were to be banned in one community they can always join and make comments in another similar Lemmy community (or similar magazine on kbin). If they get banned on one instance, they cam join another instance. The Fediverse makes it easy to still contribute even if one avenue is closed.
As far as I can tell, there hasn't been any moderator overreach on Lemmy/kbin. Maybe everyone is starting off on their best behavior. Or mods are aware that the atomized nature of the Fediverse means they have only so much power or influence. Also, it could just be the communities/magazines I'm in but there haven't been a lot of heated arguments.
You can be banned here not only from a single “community” but also from entire instances, which the former would be comparable to a subreddit ban and the latter would be even worse.
In any case you can just spin up a new account on either.
I was banned from r/food for pointing out that a "homemade breakfast" posted by a user consisted of a frozen hash brown patty, fresh uncut fruit, a sausage link, and a toaster waffle, and I suggested that it seemed like low effort to call that meal "homemade".
Turns out I was wrong about the waffle, at least the user followed up with a picture of a waffle iron and claimed they made it themselves. Fair dinkum, I wasn't going to press the point.
A couple of days later I had a multi-paragraph screed from a mod where they went through my post history and complained about things I posted to other subreddits, like r/hotdog, and a permanent irrevocable ban.
I suppose there is room for interpretation in “homemade.” I feel like if someone did the cooking themselves, then it qualifies. Store bought or only a microwave reheat would not qualify.
“Homemade” usually implies “made from scratch” rather than “warmed up inside the house.” I’d consider a waffle made in a waffle iron as homemade, but not sure how said waffle ends up looking like an Eggo toaster one.
It can’t. I can create another account and post freely In that community if necessary. This mod blocked me from ever posting there under ANY account under threat of perma-ban Reddit-wide. And without any recourse. I cannot appeal-
Yeah, no. Subreddit mods can't do that, only the sitewide admins.
It's easy to prove this as anyone can create a new subreddit and see exactly what functions mods get. They don't get the ability to issue sitewide bans, only bans from their own subreddit.
Mods don't have any more ability to do it than any other user. They literally just have to use the "report user" function, same as anyone else on reddit. There's no secret special back door access to the admins that mods get. This is literally one of the things that mods complain about - they don't have any way to deal with ban avoidance and alt accounts except to hit "report" and cross their fingers.
Bullshit. Mods ban from subreddits, and report circumvention to admins. Regular users don’t have any way of knowing if your using an alt. The point is-
Mods don't have any extra way to report users to admins that all users don't have access to. It's literally just the "report user" button.
Mods certainly don't have any way to detect alts beyond just knowing their community and manually spotting posts with a similar style to known troll accounts.
Seriously dude, you can see exactly what tools mods have access to just by creating your own sub and just fucking looking for yourself. The mod tools are shit, they get virtually nothing, certainly nothing like you seem to imagine they have. The fact that the mod tools are shit and have been shit since forever and that the admins have made promises to sort them out but never done anything about it are some of the major contributing factors in the protest and the move here. The API change were really just the last straw.
You're obviously butthurt over getting banned but based on your attitude here you probably deserved it.
I’m telling you- I had an entire account banned for posting in a sub after an different account was banned from that sub. This is NOT something any normal user would be able to do, so….
You’re clearly full of shit and come off like a butrhurt Reddit mod defending the chest puffing.
I don't doubt for a minute that you managed to earn a sitewide ban - you certainly seem like the sort.
All I'm saying is that mods don't have any way to give a sitewide ban and (beside educated guesswork), they don't have any way to detect alt accounts either. They don't have any backdoor access to the admins beyond the "report user" button that every person on reddit has access to. These aren't even things that are in any way in question, because a) literally anyone can create a new subreddit and see exactly what tools mods get and b) exactly these issues were infamously central to all the recent protests.
You're the one whining about your sitewide ban my friend. The only person showing signs of any butthurt in this thread is you.
You’re the one not understanding what’s being explained to you. So again, you’re clearly either a complete dumbass, or you’re a Reddit apologist here to stir pots.
We’re done here as I’m not about wasting my time with trolls.
See my message above. It happened to me. This large sub's mods tracked my alt accounts and got the admins to perma ban me on all my alt accounts. I had 3 different accounts for 3 different sets of interests. I don't know how they did it but they did.
The admins might well have some sort of automation, but mods certainly don't have any visibility of it and the admins never talk about it. Outside of the customisable "ban reason" one liner in the ban message, the entire message is automated (and defined by the admins) - the mods don't write it.
A couple of smallish warhammer related subs - /r/battlescribe and r/Eldar/ - not tiny subs, but only a few tens of thousands of users - nowhere near the size of something like /r/videos.
I got perma-banned from reddit for participating in a sub under a different account after I got banned. The sub in question banned me because I called out a player as a criminal for assault and bullying. The reddit ban message said mods reported my participation under alt account to the admins. There was no recourse to appeal any bans. Fuck reddit and its toxic mods. That's why I am here,
A year ago, I was banned from r/politics after accruing about 450k karma from that sub alone.
I had a temporary ban of 3 days for some choice words I shared with a Trumpist.
A couple of days after the ban ended, I got perma-banned for violating the previous ban, which I didn't think I did. When I asked the mod team, they responded that reddit AI or a bot had detected it. They gave me a link that said the bot does detections but is not 100% perfect. I asked for evidence. They refused because they didn't want to reveal how the bot worked. They told me I could contact reddit admin instead. Reddit admin responded that I could contact the mod team for that sub... That was some Kafka-esque shit.
In any event, the perma-ban came with the threat that I would face a sitewide ban if I tried to evade the ban. The mods can't do that, but reddit admin can.
I assume they are looking for other accounts with the same IP address to detect ban evasions.
Reddit admin has been pretty consistent about letting mods run the subs the way they want, except in cases where the mods are encouraging brigading or breaking laws. For the former, they’ll let that go a few years before they do anything about it, though.
Putting aside your specific situation: Threatening a site-wide ban for circumventing a sub’s ban comes from dealing with users that are complete pieces of shit and refuse to follow the sub rules and keep coming back with new accounts to troll. The site has to raise the stakes to get them to stop; what other options are there? I’ve been active on online forums for years; one had to ban a whole city for a while because users there kept logging in and starting shit (they were coordinating with each other).
On the other hand, if the user started another account and followed the sub’s rules, who would even think to check? It’s unlikely that person would get a sitewide ban.
I never admitted to it. Was banned on one account on politics for calling a trumper a little bitch for whining about anti-racism laws- then logged into that sub with an alt a day later and had my account banned.
They clearly have the authority to know when you’re circumventing. I never said a word about it, and didn’t even comment in the same post as my banned account.
i spent some time there a few years back. it seemed.. sanitized.. and lacked any personality. im a silly person, i like silly things. silly isnt allowed there, generally. it felt like you had to have a stick shoved waaaay up your asshole to participate.
I haven’t browsed tildes so don’t have impression to give, but Reddit is Fun dev made a tildes app which I think is pretty cool. Decided to download it now. It’s called Three Cheers for Tildes.
Tildes could be intersting, but difficulty of sign ups I think is what would keep it from becoming bigger. But, maybe that’s what they want. Their way of controlling their own “instance”.
When I learned it was impossible to create or join a smaller community I noped out of there. I’m not interested in “gaming”, I’m interested in a few smaller games only.
I really like the quality of the conversation over there but felt a little bit uneasy at the way the structure was influencing their community's culture.
The whole thing is owned/controlled by this one guy Deimos, everyone there is a mod but he is the only admin. He sort of gardens it, as in he deletes whole conversations if he doesn't like the direction they are taking the community in. Understandably there was a lot of reference to "Deimos says" and "Deimos thinks" when they discussed the reddit influx.
I got into it with those guys around summer of 2020 over college kids returning to school in person. I live near a large college campus and we had a newborn so I wasn’t keen on a large number of young people coming into town and giving us covid. Deimos, told me to stop talking about it, so I asked “how do I delete my account?” and I never went back to check on what his response was.
Jokes on them because we got covid several times after our child started daycare a year later.
I browsed around it for a good 20 minutes or so. My initial knee-jerk reaction is that I would not want to join a community with no ability to create or join specific areas that could be narrowed down to more specific topics. “Gaming” for example (and as someone else already mentioned), has to be video games, of all forms (retro, console, computer, homebrew, hacks - from all years) alongside board games, card games, browser games, children’s games, educational games, physical toys, etc. It’s a mess, to me at least. There aren’t even that many categories.
It is also very sterile-feeling. I appreciate a good old-fashioned text wall, but no options for background and text colors even? (Maybe that is an option if you are able to log into the site)
Thank you for pointing that out. I just did not see it. At least two of the themes were dark/cool enough to not hurt my eyes, so I do appreciate that option.
The idea here is that you have general categories and then you rely on tags to do more granular filtering. so you may be on the gaming group, but if you really hate retro gamess you would instead add games.retro (or something similar) to a filter list.
The idea of only a few groups and no custom group creation is intentional. There were other reddit alternatives that died out because everone was creating new groups willy nilly and it meant no one group could get enough traction. In contrast, Tildes only started with a dozen groups and you start out subscribed to everything.
I forgot all about Squabbles and then I got an email saying “We’re Squabblr now” that never once said who they were. I was confused how it made it past spam check.
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