11 year old account deleted today. Final straw.

Was banned from the sinusitis subreddit for telling (apparently a mod) that a deviated septum absolutely can cause a sinus infection. He got upset and banned me- and even denied my ability to respond to the ban.

Petty? Maybe. But that’s the final straw for me. I just finished deleting all posts and then the account. So sick of arrogant toxic mods.

MapleEngineer ,

I got banned from r/soapmaking because I didn’t agree that buying soap that someone else made, melting it, adding perfume and glitter, and pouring it into moulds was soap making and not arts and crafts. I raise the pigs, render the lard, and make actual soap. I was called arrogant.

I was banned from r/republican for pointing out that the headline of an article that said that the DOJ had found evidence of widespread voter fraud in Georgia was incorrect and based on a letter written by a Trumpist political hack, Jeffery Clark, not the DOJ and that it in fact contradicted the DOJ, the Republican AG, the Republican Governor of Georgia, the Republican Secretary of State of Georgia, and Republican election officials in Georgia. I was called a troll.

I was banned from r/canada for wondering out loud if the neo-fascist premiere of Alberta who made unethical phone calls to Justice officials about a hateful street pastor charged with repeatedly breaking covid rules then having a secret recording of a phone call with the accused released wherein she fawned over him and promised that she was doing everything she could to help him would pay him conjugal visits in prison once he had been sentenced.

I was banned from r/freedomconvoy2022 when I pointed out that they had exercised their Section 6 rights to travel freely across provincial borders while exercising their Section 7 right to be unvaccinated to exercise their Section 2 rights to assemble in downtown Ottawa to hold their giant racist, western separatist, Nazi, fascis, white nationalist, sovereign citizen, anti-science, resident harassing, air pouring, business closing, hourly wage employee unemploying, street shitting tantrum.

Don’t speak truth into echo bunkers.

RickRussell_CA ,
@RickRussell_CA@kbin.social avatar

You do good work.

notapantsday ,

I raise the pigs, render the lard, and make actual soap. I was called arrogant.

This is totally unrelated, but how do you get rid of the smell? I love my lard soap (using store-bought lard) but it always has a very porky smell.

metaStatic ,

That's the neat part. You don't.

Gargleblaster ,
@Gargleblaster@kbin.social avatar

The the neo-nazis volunteered to moderate.

SMH

RickRussell_CA ,
@RickRussell_CA@kbin.social avatar

I was banned from r/food for pointing out that a "homemade breakfast" posted by a user consisted of a frozen hash brown patty, fresh uncut fruit, a sausage link, and a toaster waffle, and I suggested that it seemed like low effort to call that meal "homemade".

Turns out I was wrong about the waffle, at least the user followed up with a picture of a waffle iron and claimed they made it themselves. Fair dinkum, I wasn't going to press the point.

A couple of days later I had a multi-paragraph screed from a mod where they went through my post history and complained about things I posted to other subreddits, like r/hotdog, and a permanent irrevocable ban.

atlasraven31 ,

I suppose there is room for interpretation in “homemade.” I feel like if someone did the cooking themselves, then it qualifies. Store bought or only a microwave reheat would not qualify.

akintudne ,
@akintudne@reddthat.com avatar

“Homemade” usually implies “made from scratch” rather than “warmed up inside the house.” I’d consider a waffle made in a waffle iron as homemade, but not sure how said waffle ends up looking like an Eggo toaster one.

Terevos ,
@Terevos@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah but it’s not like that can’t happen on Lemmy.

Pratai OP ,

It can’t. I can create another account and post freely In that community if necessary. This mod blocked me from ever posting there under ANY account under threat of perma-ban Reddit-wide. And without any recourse. I cannot appeal-

All for proving a mod wrong.

limelight79 ,

Mods on reddit do not have that ability.

Pratai OP ,

Yeah…. they absolutely do. I had an account banned from Reddit for posting in a sun that an alt account was banned in.

KalChoedan ,

Yeah, no. Subreddit mods can't do that, only the sitewide admins.

It's easy to prove this as anyone can create a new subreddit and see exactly what functions mods get. They don't get the ability to issue sitewide bans, only bans from their own subreddit.

Pratai OP ,

The point is, they can make it happen. It even says so in the ban notification.

“Any attempt to circumvent this ban by using alt accounts will result in a sitewide ban.”

Wether they do it themselves, or report you to admins, the end result is the same.

KalChoedan ,

Mods don't have any more ability to do it than any other user. They literally just have to use the "report user" function, same as anyone else on reddit. There's no secret special back door access to the admins that mods get. This is literally one of the things that mods complain about - they don't have any way to deal with ban avoidance and alt accounts except to hit "report" and cross their fingers.

Pratai OP ,

Bullshit. Mods ban from subreddits, and report circumvention to admins. Regular users don’t have any way of knowing if your using an alt. The point is-

That shit can’t happen here.

KalChoedan ,

Mods don't have any extra way to report users to admins that all users don't have access to. It's literally just the "report user" button.

Mods certainly don't have any way to detect alts beyond just knowing their community and manually spotting posts with a similar style to known troll accounts.

Seriously dude, you can see exactly what tools mods have access to just by creating your own sub and just fucking looking for yourself. The mod tools are shit, they get virtually nothing, certainly nothing like you seem to imagine they have. The fact that the mod tools are shit and have been shit since forever and that the admins have made promises to sort them out but never done anything about it are some of the major contributing factors in the protest and the move here. The API change were really just the last straw.

You're obviously butthurt over getting banned but based on your attitude here you probably deserved it.

Pratai OP ,

I’m telling you- I had an entire account banned for posting in a sub after an different account was banned from that sub. This is NOT something any normal user would be able to do, so….

You’re clearly full of shit and come off like a butrhurt Reddit mod defending the chest puffing.

READ

KalChoedan ,

I don't doubt for a minute that you managed to earn a sitewide ban - you certainly seem like the sort.

All I'm saying is that mods don't have any way to give a sitewide ban and (beside educated guesswork), they don't have any way to detect alt accounts either. They don't have any backdoor access to the admins beyond the "report user" button that every person on reddit has access to. These aren't even things that are in any way in question, because a) literally anyone can create a new subreddit and see exactly what tools mods get and b) exactly these issues were infamously central to all the recent protests.

You're the one whining about your sitewide ban my friend. The only person showing signs of any butthurt in this thread is you.

Pratai OP ,

You’re the one not understanding what’s being explained to you. So again, you’re clearly either a complete dumbass, or you’re a Reddit apologist here to stir pots.

We’re done here as I’m not about wasting my time with trolls.

KalChoedan ,

I'm 100% understanding what you're saying. I'm telling you:

1: YOU ARE WRONG
2: IT'S EASY TO PROVE

You're welcome to go create a subreddit and see for yourself exactly what tools mods get. They don't have the shit you think they do.

GenghisKhan ,

See my message above. It happened to me. This large sub's mods tracked my alt accounts and got the admins to perma ban me on all my alt accounts. I had 3 different accounts for 3 different sets of interests. I don't know how they did it but they did.

Gargleblaster ,
@Gargleblaster@kbin.social avatar

I'm pretty sure the sitewide admins have a bot that detects ban evasion. The mods share the message with you, it's the same message on every sub.

KalChoedan ,

The admins might well have some sort of automation, but mods certainly don't have any visibility of it and the admins never talk about it. Outside of the customisable "ban reason" one liner in the ban message, the entire message is automated (and defined by the admins) - the mods don't write it.

Gargleblaster ,
@Gargleblaster@kbin.social avatar

What sub were you moderating?

Something big like r/videos or something small like r/Iputdoritoesinmyshoes?

KalChoedan ,

A couple of smallish warhammer related subs - /r/battlescribe and r/Eldar/ - not tiny subs, but only a few tens of thousands of users - nowhere near the size of something like /r/videos.

GenghisKhan ,

I got perma-banned from reddit for participating in a sub under a different account after I got banned. The sub in question banned me because I called out a player as a criminal for assault and bullying. The reddit ban message said mods reported my participation under alt account to the admins. There was no recourse to appeal any bans. Fuck reddit and its toxic mods. That's why I am here,

limelight79 ,

Reddit admins have the ability. Mods do not.

Pratai OP ,

Mods can request to have you banned, so it’s the same thing. I know as it’s happened to me.

It even says so on the ban notification. That if you try and circumvent the bad with an alt, it will result in a sitewide ban.

It’s irrelevant who has the power if a buthurt mod can appeal to have to banned, it means the same thing.

Gargleblaster ,
@Gargleblaster@kbin.social avatar

A year ago, I was banned from r/politics after accruing about 450k karma from that sub alone.

I had a temporary ban of 3 days for some choice words I shared with a Trumpist.

A couple of days after the ban ended, I got perma-banned for violating the previous ban, which I didn't think I did. When I asked the mod team, they responded that reddit AI or a bot had detected it. They gave me a link that said the bot does detections but is not 100% perfect. I asked for evidence. They refused because they didn't want to reveal how the bot worked. They told me I could contact reddit admin instead. Reddit admin responded that I could contact the mod team for that sub... That was some Kafka-esque shit.

In any event, the perma-ban came with the threat that I would face a sitewide ban if I tried to evade the ban. The mods can't do that, but reddit admin can.

I assume they are looking for other accounts with the same IP address to detect ban evasions.

limelight79 ,

Reddit admin has been pretty consistent about letting mods run the subs the way they want, except in cases where the mods are encouraging brigading or breaking laws. For the former, they’ll let that go a few years before they do anything about it, though.

Putting aside your specific situation: Threatening a site-wide ban for circumventing a sub’s ban comes from dealing with users that are complete pieces of shit and refuse to follow the sub rules and keep coming back with new accounts to troll. The site has to raise the stakes to get them to stop; what other options are there? I’ve been active on online forums for years; one had to ban a whole city for a while because users there kept logging in and starting shit (they were coordinating with each other).

On the other hand, if the user started another account and followed the sub’s rules, who would even think to check? It’s unlikely that person would get a sitewide ban.

Mr_Buscemi ,
@Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

There’s really no way a reddit mod can know if you are ban evading on an alt. Only way is if you admit to it which they can then report to the admins.

Basically just don’t admit to evading a ban and you would have been 100% fine from the mods.

This is all coming from somebody that’s modded subreddits with millions of subscribers.

Pratai OP ,

I never admitted to it. Was banned on one account on politics for calling a trumper a little bitch for whining about anti-racism laws- then logged into that sub with an alt a day later and had my account banned.

They clearly have the authority to know when you’re circumventing. I never said a word about it, and didn’t even comment in the same post as my banned account.

www.unit21.ai/…/ban-evasion#:~:text=So how does R….

GenghisKhan ,

Dude, I believe you. Same shit happened to me. That's why I'm on kbin and lemmy. These people have no idea.

wnose ,

15 years, 150K comment karma, shadowbanned across reddit for no reason.

HughJanus ,

That’s great but don’t fall under the impression that those same people aren’t here on Lemmy

Very_Bad_Janet ,

True, but if someone were to be banned in one community they can always join and make comments in another similar Lemmy community (or similar magazine on kbin). If they get banned on one instance, they cam join another instance. The Fediverse makes it easy to still contribute even if one avenue is closed.

As far as I can tell, there hasn't been any moderator overreach on Lemmy/kbin. Maybe everyone is starting off on their best behavior. Or mods are aware that the atomized nature of the Fediverse means they have only so much power or influence. Also, it could just be the communities/magazines I'm in but there haven't been a lot of heated arguments.

atlasraven31 ,

People as a whole have been starting over and feeling out their place in things.

Pratai OP ,

That may be so, but they can’t ban me across lemmy for using a different account and posting in the same community.

HughJanus ,

You can be banned here not only from a single “community” but also from entire instances, which the former would be comparable to a subreddit ban and the latter would be even worse.

In any case you can just spin up a new account on either.

Blaze ,

Congratulations

SpunkyBarnes ,

Welcome, nine years+ on the same platform before making the change.

So far? Lemmy over the alternative, hands down.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Imagine how fragile a mod can be to ban someone based on a scientific evidence 🙄

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