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BettyWhiteInHD , in Any change today?
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Do you also ask your friends how the girlfriend you just broke up with is doing without you?

Just forget about Reddit and move on, who gives a shit?

Bendersmember OP ,
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You better tell the mods to delete a good portion of the posts and this entire magazine then... I think it's perfectly normal question to ask and be curious about, if you don't want to hear about Reddit maybe don't sub to this magazine and contribute to the conversation about it?

BettyWhiteInHD ,
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Good idea. Good bye.

DougHolland ,

Actually, yeah, I have asked my friends how the girlfriend who dumped me is doing. Caring isn't something you can click on and off like a light switch.

Bendersmember OP ,
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Thanks, you said it better than I could.

Neato ,
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Where do you think you are?

hairyscotsman , in My Reddit GDPR Request took 20 days, this is what it looks like

I edited and deleted all my posts and comments, yet a google search will show all my comments and posts still there. If I edit and delete the posts from the post page it works, but I did it through my profile and it only hid my comments and didn’t even apply the edits…. Kinda frustrated and have no resolution with Reddit. Waiting to see if my comments are still there in my gpdr request.

TheEntity ,

This is not how it works. Google has its own copy, possibly a stale one. Nothing Reddit can do about it. As much as I'd love to blame it on Reddit (or Google for that matter), this is just a search engine working as intended.

hairyscotsman ,

No, this is not google cache. This is the same article on Reddit.com.

dumples , in While larger, more general communities are thriving on the Fediverse - I'm missing out on the niche communities
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I've been pretty disappointed with the DnD community so far. So I've been trying to post a lot about the new playtest material in a magazine I want to grow. So far it's like 5 of posting often but I hope the engagement will bring more

ArtieShaw ,
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I think what you're doing so far is key. And it's really the hard part. The rest is just being a friendly place.

No one wants to be one of those 5 people howling into the void when something is getting started, but it needs to be done to demonstrate that people are willing to participate. You might also consider posting easy polls or open ended questions to invite engagement. (If you haven't)

FaceDeer ,
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I just came across https://ttrpg.network/, a Lemmy instance that's specialized toward tabletop roleplaying games. Haven't explored it much but I suspect we'll be seeing this pattern more in the future - whole instances devoted to a particular topic, with the specialized subgenres being communities on there.

NotTheOnlyGamer ,
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The more that happens, the more fractured the community becomes, and the easier it will be for a new centralized corporate platform to suck up users. That's how Reddit started in the first place, and how Twitter started. Heck, it's even how LJ started. You look at fractured elements of communities, and build a site for the whole community to come together.

FaceDeer ,
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Except that the "for the whole community to come together" part is already provided by the Fediverse, built right in to the foundations. There's no "service" for the next Reddit to provide to these separate forums because they can already freely exchange with each other. They are not fractured.

NotTheOnlyGamer ,
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Sure, just show me the combined DnD/D&D or TTRPG community | magazine | group. It doesn't exist. There are a hundred, or a thousand, individual groups. That's not a whole community. That's a thousand fractal shards, each one with its own voices, independent of one another. Yes, occasionally they do share content or users, but that happens only rarely and with effort. TTRPG Network, Lemmy.ML, KBin.Social, Mastodon.Social, etc., all have various groups dedicated to RPGs. These groups are not able to be combined.

The inability of these groups to combine and independently organizing is a severe weakness of ActivityPub.

FaceDeer ,
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What you're asking for never existed. Reddit had multiple subreddits devoted to those subjects. Forcing there to be only "one true" community for any given subject is antithetical to the whole concept of free association and free speech, there's always going to be people who disagree with how the subject matter has been divided up and how it's being moderated. They'll want to create their own groups.

You're probably wanting something like Reddit's "multireddit" functionality. I know of this issue for Lemmy, with some links to related issues in the comments. Kbin has one here.

NotTheOnlyGamer ,
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No, what I want is r/RPG - a single, central hub for RPG-related topics. Yes, there are also subs for RPGDesign, DnD, DM advice, etc., but RPG serves as both a central community and as a hub for all those more specific groups. There is no way to have a “hub community” on the Fediverse, or to efficiently find all groups which share interests. Groups which had a “largest community” on Reddit will now find themselves shattered and separated. Sure, you can say Federation will save them, but it really won’t. All federation means is that now instead of one community, there’s one per server, and you have to know to subscribe to each and every one of them.

Sure, there’s Mastodon’s Lists feature, which works like a Multireddit, but that’s honestly a lot of effort, and doesn’t cover Lemmy or kbin posts like this one. We need a way to automerge common communities, at least in the user’s view.

FaceDeer ,
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What you want never existed in the first place. Not only because of those other subreddits you mention, but because Reddit was not the entire sum total of RPG discussion on the Internet. The RPGNet Forums, TheRPGSite forums, RPG PUB, EN World forums, RPG Codex, and innumerable other smaller forums were scattered all around the Internet. You never saw them or their content because none of them are "federated", and so you thought Reddit was the center of the RPG universe.

We now have an opportunity to restructure how diverse separate fora like that can work. If they were all federated then you'd be able to seamlessly view content from all of them, and communicate back without needing to have a separate login at each and every one of them.

If you really want to continue treating /r/RPG as the center of the universe and ignoring all the other fora, well, these new ones on the Fediverse merely add a few more onto the enormous list you were already unknowingly ignoring.

NotTheOnlyGamer ,
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I was actually on the RPGNet forums for several years, but the topics, mechanics, and games which I care about became less-discussed over time.

VerifiablyMrWonka , in PSA: while upvoting exists, to get the "move closer to the top" effect that reddit's upvote had, you need to click boost
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This isn't the case though? Upvotes (aka favourites everywhere else) are what affect the "algorithm" the functionality thats broken is Karma tracking.

Teppic ,
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I think actually it's both.

I think Hot and Top are sorted according to upvotes + boosts (weighted x2) less downvotes. I think the plan is reputation will work the same way (once it gets fixed).

...but reading this thread I wonder if that needs a rethink - people seem to boost rather more liberally than expected/intend in order to game this algorithm.

It was thought/expected that, since boosts effectively retweet the comment, they would be used quite sparingly - this is why they have a relatively high significance.

We could probably do with some clarity on all of this because this line of discussion has been repeated many times and there is quite a lot of hearsay and misinformation being parroted. @Ernest ?

curiosityLynx , in While larger, more general communities are thriving on the Fediverse - I'm missing out on the niche communities

I was part of the Linguistics subreddit, but I don't feel qualified to open a kbin magazine or lemmy community for it. While I did have linguistics as my major in university, I had to quit after getting my bachelor's credits but before finishing my thesis (due to depression).

I edited loads of my old comments to suggest people join kbin, but it seems the mods of /r/linguistics hate that. They were all removed with no exceptions.

Gull ,

This post is helpful for highlighting some of the reasons the migration is slow. People who want to chart the future of the Fediverse need to listen to this kind of feedback and think about how to fix the pipeline.

Doll_Tow_Jet-ski ,

Hi there. I wasn't in the linguistic community in Reddit, but I am a linguist and I would be willing to create one here and moderate it. Linguistics is very broad. What were the topics discussed in the reddit community? I am a psycholingusit, so the focus of my contributions would be mostly in that field, and I imagine mostly scholarly content being shared and discussed, but I would like to know what someone like you, who used to be a member, would expect from such a community.

EDIT: There's already one! : https://kbin.social/m/linguistics

curiosityLynx ,

The posts I saw fell into these rough categories:

  • Sharing articles that are interesting or important to know
  • People asking questions about linguistics (a frequent one was people asking about what some kind of feature is called in the field, kind of "what do I have to search for to learn more about this?")
  • Linguistic studies that were featured in general media (as long as neither the study nor the media coverage is garbage)
  • Stickied FAQ post and a regular general questions post
  • People sharing their own work that they think others might find interesting
  • Podcast episodes and YouTube videos about linguistics that are worth promoting

I think the only things related to linguistics that weren't welcome were posts where people come up with folk etymologies, spreading disproven theories or claiming one language being superior than another.

Conlanging: You'd sometimes see questions about linguistics in general (usually typology) by a conlanger, but I don't think I ever saw anything other than that. I would guess that links relating to conlangs/conlanging were deleted, with a suggestion to post them to /r/conlangs instead.

Doll_Tow_Jet-ski ,

Thanks for the info 👍

abff08f4813c , in Great! Reddit just updated their app and it lags AF

It's like they're trying to drive their users away from reddit on purpose, or what?

Rabbithole ,

Nah, they just feel that they have everyone legitimately locked-in now, so there's no need to try anymore...

Meaning that apparently that was them actually trying before, which is a horrifying thought.

SolacefromSilence , in PSA: while upvoting exists, to get the "move closer to the top" effect that reddit's upvote had, you need to click boost

What does the upvote/downvote do, could someone kindly explain?

Seraph ,

Of course, allow me to illuminate for you what it actually does: Nothing.

Edit: Wow thanks so much for the upvotes everyone that's really productive! Hahaha

TriLevelSync ,

Upvoted.

eltimablo ,

The upvote button does nothing, but the downvote button subtracts reputation.

Metaright , in Reminder: reddit may be dead, but trolls are not.
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I wonder if people are going to abuse downvotes and reports. The downvote is not a disagreement button, and reporting just because you find a comment distasteful is not what it should be for.

Niello ,

That'd require you to not be a hypocrite though. If not for disagreeing, then for what reason did you downvote my comment?

Metaright ,
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Because I think you're advocating for a very destructive approach to social media.

As an aside, I didn't know you could see who's voted on a comment. How do you view that?

May ,
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Its under more, then activity

Boosts = boosts, reduces = downvotes, favourites = upvotes

Metaright ,
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Thank you!

Niello ,

So you downvoted because you used it as a disagree button. End of story then?

Anyway, let's put that aside and discuss. How is it destructive? If there is a troll harassing a user then is ignoring it better than reporting the troll? How so?

Let me give you a concrete example. This guy exists https://kbin.social/u/WorldKnows45Won/comments
Why should the comment he called the other guy "retard" not be reported? Not only that, the same guy made troll posts sprading misinformation like Trump winning the 2020 election, so it's clear it isn't just a one time thing either. And in the future when there are more bots and troll accounts running around, why would not reporting them be the better option?

Metaright ,
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I am of the belief that banning users or deleting posts, even inflammatory ones, harms free speech and hinders open communication. If you feel a user is "harassing" you (insofar as that's even possible, given you can freely ignore their comments), attempting to have the user banned just pushes the community toward becoming an echo clamber. I say this because people are very, very bad at distinguishing harassment from mere heated disagreement in the first place.

Niello ,

So if someone make a wrong accusation of someone else or if they make a death threat or doxx someone the comment should just stay up. Am I hearing your position correctly?

And I think you missing something. People perceptions are different and they aren't necessarily "correct", yours and mine included. Report doesn't automatically remove someone, but it does allow admins and mods to see it, in other word, get a third party to look at it. Multiple reports also mean more people thinking this is harmful. Just because you don't agree with other people's perception doesn't mean they are wrong and you're right or vice versa. Not to mention that certain kinds of harassments and hate speeches directly break the ToS.

Furthermore, reporting != banning. Reporting on a comment is the voice in that comment is listened to, and it's been decided that it's harmful.

Metaright ,
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You make some very good points that I hadn't really thought of, honestly. It seems like I didn't consider the full implications of my position. I still like to tend toward leaving things up, but I agree with you now that that probably has to have its limits somewhere.

Niello , (edited )

I think it's nice to have a spectrum of agreement on "this is okay", as long as we don't stray into the more universally agreed "this is not okay". It's probably one of the more robust ways to decide where to draw the line when in reality a hard line doesn't exist.

Maximilious , in Relay for Reddit is continuing as a subscription service
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Based on the prices the Apollo dev was slinging around, I highly doubt Relay will be around even after this guy "figures out" what to charge his users. Unless he's aiming for whales with deep pockets I give it maybe 3-6 months before he also folds. Reddit can also easily move the goal post on Relay, which is inevitable, because Reddit wants people to use thier app.

Teal ,
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This is what I'm thinking too. Narwhal is sticking around but once Narwhal 2 comes out it'll be $5-7 per month and more for a user who makes a lot of API calls. If I'm remembering correctly Christian figured it would be close to $10 per month to support Apollo's heavy users without going in the red. That's crazy money to pay for access to Reddit.

fiofiofio ,

And to not even have feature parity (no polls, for example) and not be able to view NSFW posts...

vtez44 , in I created a webview shell for the kbin.social site

What's the difference between this and the site shortcut?

anemomylos OP ,
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My need was to open the site in a dedicated browser to keep it separate from the default browser, so I put together some code I had available from other projects to create this app. I have shared it in case it might be useful to others, although for most people using the default browser to view the site is the best choice.

fishos ,

In the drop down menu in your mobile browser, there should be a "install as app" choice. That does exactly what your code does.

ChillChillinChinchilla ,
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Thanks. I'm technologically dumb and have been working with a site link I made a button on my homescreen somehow - except I keep forgetting to close all the tabs cause it just opens a new one in my mobile browser everytime.

I had 0 chance of getting op's thingy to work on my own but what you suggested worked.

fishos ,

No problem; glad it helped 🙂

aeternum , in I created a webview shell for the kbin.social site

Nice work! Thanks!

Cal , in RIP RIF
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Weird. RIF still works here.

1stq ,
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Are you still logged in?
It still works as read only, after logging out.

Cal ,
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Not logged in. Seems to be only read mode.

moon_matter , in Ordinary redditors are feeling the pain as well.
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People are only using the 3rd party app line because it's the most relatable argument. It's much more than that. A ton of moderation tools and useful bots are going dark tomorrow thanks to the API policy change. Even if we all go back to Reddit, there's no bringing back those tools. Reddit communities are going to slowly go to shit as spammers all realize that moderators aren't as effective as they used to be. This was going to happen regardless of how the protests turned out. There's no scenario where things get better for Reddit.

Niello ,

Imo, more emphasis should have been made on how spez treated Christian, the Apolla dev. It's honestly disgusting. And not even any kind of apology or direct reply. Spez just went on to smear Christian's name more with disinformation he fed to the press via interviews.

bryce0110 ,

It definitely should have.

I've seen many threads recently filled with people taking spez's side versus Christian. No idea how anyone could do that in good faith.

z2k_ , in Yet another app shutting down. Boost closing on the 1st
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Edit: I am releasing Boost for Lemmy, you can pre-register to get notified when it is available. In the meantime you can create an account and join lemmy.world/c/boostforlemmy

Nicenightforawalk ,

This is where I get confused with the federation part. If I’m signed up on kbin and masterdon do I need to sign up on lemmy as well or is it pointless having 3 signups if you are able to see all posts?

abff08f4813c ,

More the second one. I joined that lemmy sub using my kbin

Mr_Jabroni ,
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It is useful to have just 2 logins, one for kbin (or lemmy) and one for Mastodon (or Calckey).

You can see content from Mastodon on kbin but it's not the same experience since there's no timeline, hashtag follow, etc. Similarly you can see threads from kbin in Mastodon but the UI is not very nice.

For kbin and lemmy, different logins are not needed since they share the way they show information. So you can seamlessly browse lemmy content in kbin without worrying where it was originally posted.

Fatbuddha , in RIP RIF

The Creator of RIF says they are working on tildes.net, I don't believe that's part of the fediverse sadly. I really know very little about tildes anyone know why they would choose that over trying to build for Lemmy or kbin?

elscallr ,
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That's interesting, though. I haven't used Tildes but I got real used to rif's interface and this is taking some getting used to.

Bendersmember ,
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I'm on tildes, it's really refreshing and easy to use.
Main difference is that it seems to cater more of a serious adult conversations, which after years of being able to predict most comments before looking in Reddit, is very refreshing.
Lots less memes, communities are pre set and can't be created, seems to be to make sure to populate them before creating sub categories that people may see as in active and avoid.
Overall it feels like fedworld is best overall experience, squabbles is memes and lighthearted and tildes is more deep and thought out style of interaction.

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